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  • 4 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:

@SWSeriousMike said:

@vanguard said:
If you want reading material, I'm more than glad to give it to you, just ask.

I'd take that offer. But let's just assume my time is precious (at least to me) and give me the interesting and condensed stuff please.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1b5b/8351b8e74885b976ae75ad605709b61b6ecb.pdf

Thomas sowell lmao, what's next, fucking Mises? Lazy pls, at least give us some wealth of the nations or some other respectable labor theory of value dude

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  • 4 Jul
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@Clyde said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
Ok vanguard nevermind I suppose

Yeah, Marxism is totally just about class and has nothing to do with creating a globalist world where the boundaries of nation-states and ethnic identities are eradicated to create complete and total global equality at the expense of peoples rights to self-determination, self-rule, and freedom. The fact he calls zionists nazis proves that. He wants to deterritorialize and deconstruct peoples identities for that goal. For the left, any form of connection to the land or blood of the people is fascism because they are antinationalist and view the hierarchy and rule of the people as unjust, while I view it as freedom. Totally just about class, dudes lying out of his ass but that's nothing new.

Rule of the people? Self-rule? Freedom?

It's really cute how fucking dumb you are, if you think any of these things are even remotely possible under a capitalist mode of production lmao.

You know, I like people like you, you remind me how harmless and clueless the opposition to communists actually are. it's just so pathetic that I actually feel bad for you guys.

I'd be sad if I was a right winger and had people like you on my side tbh, since you provide so much ammo for the left.

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@SWSeriousMike said:

@vanguard said:
If you want reading material, I'm more than glad to give it to you, just ask.

I'd take that offer. But let's just assume my time is precious (at least to me) and give me the interesting and condensed stuff please.

Time is really a fuck comrade, but I must urge you to go after the real big books, there simply are no substitute, unfortunately. As marx would say, "There is no royal road to science, and only those who do not dread the fatiguing climb of its steep paths have a chance of gaining its luminous summits."

Easy to read and digest first:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm

These are short texts that have a great content, and anarchists are a great entry point imho since it's easier to digest and very eloquent writings, very cool stuff to read, but honestly they won't give you a good understanding of what actually matters, that is capitalism itself. For that, I'd recommend these, in no specific order tbh:

"Society of the spectacle" by Guy Debord, this is harder to digest, but from my own experience, even if you don't understand everything (since the author presupposes that you have already read quite a few other texts), you will definitely find it interesting as fuck and as you will see with these authors, since they are materialists, their critique is observable on your everyday life:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm

The volume one of Capital, it's a great read tbh, people love to say how hard and complex it is, but it's such a well written and interesting text. This one is so fucking important man, seriously. I'd recommend taking you time, reading it bit by bit without hurry, it will be worth it:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#S1

This one here is great to understand the State:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/

This one is fucking interesting too tbh

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/

Here you probably have reading material for a few years man, read with patience, maybe even buy one of these books, I find easier to read on books than on the computer, idk. Point being, you don't have to dedicate your whole time to reading stuff and you can and should take your time Imho.

This here:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0A7FFF28B99C1303

Can help you deal with Capital. Harvey is a very good geographer with highly interesting books too, especially on imperialism. These classes are about Capital and it's pretty cool to follow the classes tbh. This is the sort of thing that if it wasn't for the internet, it would be very hard to have access to.

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  • 4 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:

@vanguard said:

@ToLazy4Name said:

@vanguard said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
to be fair there's a difference between a nazi and an ethnonationalist

Lmao you are an ancap lazy wtf u know about these things tbh, go be mad at roads or something

look man I just get tired of the word "nazi" getting bandied about so carelessly, you have to be specific when you call someone a statist, if they're a nazi then they're a nazi and if they're not they're not, but in the end it doesn't matter they still get the bullet too >:^ (

also doesn't help I get called a nazi alot

I'm still waiting for the big differences lazy. Pro tip, there are none, Nazis were white ethnostatists. This 14 words shit is a pretty old nazi whistle blow, don't be naive man he's a fucking nazi.

All nazis are ethnonationalists but not all ethnonationalists are nazis. Israel was founded to be an ethnic state but you wouldn't call Israelis nazis

Why not? I mean it's easier to say they are fucking nazis than to say "white jewish ethnostatists", and honestly it's basically the same shit, the difference is insignificant tbh. Fucking Nazis man, easier to get your point across, everyone understands what you means and it's shorter to write tbh.

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  • 4 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:

@vanguard said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
to be fair there's a difference between a nazi and an ethnonationalist

Lmao you are an ancap lazy wtf u know about these things tbh, go be mad at roads or something

look man I just get tired of the word "nazi" getting bandied about so carelessly, you have to be specific when you call someone a statist, if they're a nazi then they're a nazi and if they're not they're not, but in the end it doesn't matter they still get the bullet too >:^ (

also doesn't help I get called a nazi alot

I'm still waiting for the big differences lazy. Pro tip, there are none, Nazis were white ethnostatists. This 14 words shit is a pretty old nazi whistle blow, don't be naive man he's a fucking nazi.

You get called a nazi due to association probably. Most ancaps tends to side with nazis against communists and are also white racist fuckers. So idk, aside from the whole no-state capitalism delirium, usually there are stuff in common. Idk about you tbh, but most of other ancaps I've met are just as bad as goddamn internet Nazis lmao. Blame other ancaps for this tbh

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@ToLazy4Name said:
to be fair there's a difference between a nazi and an ethnonationalist

Lmao you are an ancap lazy wtf u know about these things tbh, go be mad at roads or something

Tell us more about the big differences pls

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  • 4 Jul
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@THE-REAL-WARSAW said:
Its simple really, back in the day you either conquered ppl or got conquered.
Life is what you make it its that fkn simple.

End of story, if you wanna be sumbody or sumthing go work for it an earn it and make sumthing of yourself

Self oppression lives in weak fkn minds that blame others for their current day problems.

You are in control of your destiny!

That's a pretty 50 iq take tbh, how the fuck can you explain poverty with a dumbass worldview like this one?

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  • 4 Jul
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@Doogla said:
Help! Someone help! There are Nazis in this game! Help!

See:

@Clyde said:
you are right it's not a debate the 14 words aren't up for debate.

I bet you are one of them too, seeing how desperate you are about this subject.

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  • 3 Jul
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This is so sad can we kill all the nazis

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  • 3 Jul
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@Clyde said:
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Liquidate them. The answer will always be that. You’ll end up there because equality cannot be achieved between human beings in this mortal life.

You can not create equality without destroying and taking from me everything I care about, I will defend my nation and race intellectually as well as physically from threats to it by any means necessary. you are right it's not a debate the 14 words aren't up for debate.

Lmao, this is the best you can do to defend intellectually your cause, then say hello to mayocide friend.

Thanks for just clearing up that you are a fascist. It's hilarious because lots of your folks were trying to be discreet about it, but now we can all really see who is on which side of this whole community issue.

If there was still any doubt about it, I hope Clyde made it pretty clear.

14 words, I legit hope you press END irl now lol

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  • 3 Jul
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@Clyde said:
There is first world Marxism which is economic and basically just neoliberalism,

Wait wtf am I even reading here lmao, this is some next level shit friend lol

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@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Y'all realise this Clide guy is either trolling or not worth taking seriously though, right?

Im shit posting in work time lmao so I honestly don't even care tbh

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  • 3 Jul
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@Clyde said:

@vanguard said:

@Clyde said:

@vanguard said:

@Clyde said:

@PinkerStinklage said:

@Clyde said:
By skin I mean most games like this are the same its a texture over a basic idea, this is a texture of an arena shooter or melee fps with a european identity, I would like it to stay that way if you think otherwise sure go for it. I'm not going to support a multicultural intersection game where sub-Saharan -African women characters can be made in full gothic armour that's absurdly cringe and ruins the game for me and I won't play or support it. I want my specific experience, identity and theme that I bought and expected at launch not to be defrauded and given a different one after release caused by hordes of leftist demands and threats at the developers to change it to suit their political agenda.

Celebrate your heritage by reading a fucking book, this is a VIDEO GAME. Females and other ethnicities are already in the game files, just not up to snuff for release according to devs. Getting worked up over a video game not being your last bastion of hope to celebrate your heritage is absurdly cringe.

No you act like the left isn't trying to push this in every medium they can including books, I will not give up a single medium, tv show, comic, movie, game, etc that expresses white identity to leftist hordes. Not happening man. Pop culture is important in modern times and you know it. in influences political change which is why the left. wants to impose their intersectional egalitarianism into it. They want to wield power and deconstruct white identity. I will voice what I want as the consumer what my interests are, and you can't do anything to stop me.

I'm a marxists so listen up bucko, we don't have anything to win by deconstructing white identity, this is just right wing propaganda tbh. What we deconstruct are class relations and anything related to it.

Yes, Marxism is present in pop culture and in games but no, it's not at all how you think it happens. Half-Life 2 for instance is a fine example of "marxism" in games, same for fallout 1, 2 and new vegas. I honestly feel fucking retarded by saying this, but it is what it is. Again, as a marxist, although these are example of cultural products that somewhat helps deconstructing class relations, they are nowhere near a well constructed criticism of capitalism or it's economy and class relations, but are intrinsically related to these themes.

You see, I'm pretty sure people behind these works aren't even intentionally trying to criticize capitalism, it just happens that we live under it, and naturally, social criticisms will inevitably go near all of this. It's what we can conceive.

So yeah, there is "Marxism" in your culture, but it is much more like a spontaneous thing than a elaborated and coordinated effort. I bet that if we could talk for at least one hour about society's problems, you would come up with criticism that unavoidably could be categorized as "marxist".

And, it has FUCKALL to do with white, black or yellow culture, it's a goddamn economic thing ffs. There objectively is nothing to gain by destroying white, black or yellow culture. This shit doesn't even make sense nowadays, describe white culture to me. Are The Beatles part of white culture? Rock and roll is white or black culture? Culture changes with time, it's not a monolithic thing. Time itself will destroy all of these cultures, we marxists just have to literally sit and watch, and laugh as you fuckers struggle against history itself for not understanding neither what culture is, or where the movement of history is leading us to.

There is first world Marxism which is economic and basically just neoliberalism, and there is third world Marxism which is overtly anti-white you can not make the world equal unless you destroy the first world and their people and redistribute their wealth to the third world. I don't want to be killed, I don't want my civilization destroyed, I don't want the things my ancestors gave to me to be taken from me and given to foreigners. I want to have a nation state where I can be left alone and where my folk can rule over themselves, and for other peoples to do the same.

It doesn't matter if the culture or identity, changes over time as long as it comes naturally from the people as the collective unconsciousness builds more and more layers on top the foundation of its church. Marxism does have undercurrents of eliminating ethnic identity class, borders, and nation states. I'm a neoliberal. I believe in nation states, capitalism, and self-determination for distinct people. I don't believe in a global identityless materialist world based on class struggle and individualism. I believe in distinct peoples ruling over themselves to avoid conflict we see today my ideas are both opposed to first and third worldist marxism. if you just want to promote working class rights go for, if you want to actively destroy my civilization, race, nation-state, identity and culture, I will view you as a threat because that's what you are.

What a fucking mess you made lmao. First, I'm a fucking Brazilian, you can't get much more third world than this and no, there isn't first and third world Marxism, this is just plain wrong and stupid as fuck. Second, all this shit isn't about wealth distribution, it's about what class controls the means of production.

All your text derivate from this absolutely huge ignorance on what the fuck actually is marxism. The elimination of culture thing is something that is said in marxist text that the capitalism itself is doing already lmao, as I told you, we don't have to do ANYTHING about this since capitalism already does all the hard work for us. Just look at idk, USA or Brazil's natives history and you will see how capitalism erases culture.

It's a huge contradiction on your part to say that you are a capitalist AND want to avoid your culture being "destroyed", only shows how actually clueless you are.

All in all, unless you educate yourself on what is capitalism, communism and Marxism, you are, objective, just spewing dumbass right wing propaganda. There isn't even a way for us to debate this, it would basically be me telling you how you don't know X concept and proceeding to explain it to you, which I don't have neither the time, will or patience to do. If you want reading material, I'm more than glad to give it to you, just ask.

You can't liberate the proletariat unless you destroy the first world. the greatest oppression according to Marxist standards is the divide between first and third world. Yes, I and spewing propaganda its called making a compelling argument for your cause this isn't an objective debate over facts and reasoning its a propaganda war. Global capital, as well as globalist third worldist Marxism, are both against the interests of nationalists you don't say?

First wordlist Marxists believe that revolution can happen peacefully in the first world, and the third wordlist ones believe the first world must be destroyed to reach the goal, Both question capital and one is a threat more so than the other. I like the free market but I'm open to admitting that capital can become destructive to the people when its used by foreigners, when its used by the people for their interests much like state power it is good and positive as the free market is the best economy, and self-rule is the best system of government for freedom. the synergy between the state, working class and nobles is important to have a cohesive society but they should rule in the interests of the people. I don't want to deconstruct hierarchy, ethnic identity, class, or nation states and will defend them intellectually as well as physically.

In fact it should be a discussion about facts, about material reality, but as always you, as a right winger, is a idealist instead of being materialist.
I just told you about how, spontaneously, people will make criticisms to society that are borderline marxists, including yourself just did with the whole "global capital destroying cultures", and that is because marxist criticisms of society are materialist, that is, they come from material reality, it's perceivable on people's daily life man.

Anyways, I'm gonna need your sources since you say stuff that marxists supposedly said, otherwise you are just attacking strawmans here friend.

Also it's really cute that you think that people can use capital for this or that, and it's not in fact the other way around lmao. Alienation refers exactly to this issue my friend.

As I told you, it's not even a debate. You lack the most basic knowledge about this subject, makes me wonder where are you getting your education from. I bet it's some reddit pages, YouTube videos and /pol/ tbh. Git gud go read a book.

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  • 3 Jul
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@Clyde said:

@vanguard said:

@Clyde said:

@PinkerStinklage said:

@Clyde said:
By skin I mean most games like this are the same its a texture over a basic idea, this is a texture of an arena shooter or melee fps with a european identity, I would like it to stay that way if you think otherwise sure go for it. I'm not going to support a multicultural intersection game where sub-Saharan -African women characters can be made in full gothic armour that's absurdly cringe and ruins the game for me and I won't play or support it. I want my specific experience, identity and theme that I bought and expected at launch not to be defrauded and given a different one after release caused by hordes of leftist demands and threats at the developers to change it to suit their political agenda.

Celebrate your heritage by reading a fucking book, this is a VIDEO GAME. Females and other ethnicities are already in the game files, just not up to snuff for release according to devs. Getting worked up over a video game not being your last bastion of hope to celebrate your heritage is absurdly cringe.

No you act like the left isn't trying to push this in every medium they can including books, I will not give up a single medium, tv show, comic, movie, game, etc that expresses white identity to leftist hordes. Not happening man. Pop culture is important in modern times and you know it. in influences political change which is why the left. wants to impose their intersectional egalitarianism into it. They want to wield power and deconstruct white identity. I will voice what I want as the consumer what my interests are, and you can't do anything to stop me.

I'm a marxists so listen up bucko, we don't have anything to win by deconstructing white identity, this is just right wing propaganda tbh. What we deconstruct are class relations and anything related to it.

Yes, Marxism is present in pop culture and in games but no, it's not at all how you think it happens. Half-Life 2 for instance is a fine example of "marxism" in games, same for fallout 1, 2 and new vegas. I honestly feel fucking retarded by saying this, but it is what it is. Again, as a marxist, although these are example of cultural products that somewhat helps deconstructing class relations, they are nowhere near a well constructed criticism of capitalism or it's economy and class relations, but are intrinsically related to these themes.

You see, I'm pretty sure people behind these works aren't even intentionally trying to criticize capitalism, it just happens that we live under it, and naturally, social criticisms will inevitably go near all of this. It's what we can conceive.

So yeah, there is "Marxism" in your culture, but it is much more like a spontaneous thing than a elaborated and coordinated effort. I bet that if we could talk for at least one hour about society's problems, you would come up with criticism that unavoidably could be categorized as "marxist".

And, it has FUCKALL to do with white, black or yellow culture, it's a goddamn economic thing ffs. There objectively is nothing to gain by destroying white, black or yellow culture. This shit doesn't even make sense nowadays, describe white culture to me. Are The Beatles part of white culture? Rock and roll is white or black culture? Culture changes with time, it's not a monolithic thing. Time itself will destroy all of these cultures, we marxists just have to literally sit and watch, and laugh as you fuckers struggle against history itself for not understanding neither what culture is, or where the movement of history is leading us to.

There is first world Marxism which is economic and basically just neoliberalism, and there is third world Marxism which is overtly anti-white you can not make the world equal unless you destroy the first world and their people and redistribute their wealth to the third world. I don't want to be killed, I don't want my civilization destroyed, I don't want the things my ancestors gave to me to be taken from me and given to foreigners. I want to have a nation state where I can be left alone and where my folk can rule over themselves, and for other peoples to do the same.

It doesn't matter if the culture or identity, changes over time as long as it comes naturally from the people as the collective unconsciousness builds more and more layers on top the foundation of its church. Marxism does have undercurrents of eliminating ethnic identity class, borders, and nation states. I'm a neoliberal. I believe in nation states, capitalism, and self-determination for distinct people. I don't believe in a global identityless materialist world based on class struggle and individualism. I believe in distinct peoples ruling over themselves to avoid conflict we see today my ideas are both opposed to first and third worldist marxism. if you just want to promote working class rights go for, if you want to actively destroy my civilization, race, nation-state, identity and culture, I will view you as a threat because that's what you are.

What a fucking mess you made lmao. First, I'm a fucking Brazilian, you can't get much more third world than this and no, there isn't first and third world Marxism, this is just plain wrong and stupid as fuck. Second, all this shit isn't about wealth distribution, it's about what class controls the means of production.

All your text derivate from this absolutely huge ignorance on what the fuck actually is marxism. The elimination of culture thing is something that is said in marxist text that the capitalism itself is doing already lmao, as I told you, we don't have to do ANYTHING about this since capitalism already does all the hard work for us. Just look at idk, USA or Brazil's natives history and you will see how capitalism erases culture.

It's a huge contradiction on your part to say that you are a capitalist AND want to avoid your culture being "destroyed", only shows how actually clueless you are.

All in all, unless you educate yourself on what is capitalism, communism and Marxism, you are, objective, just spewing dumbass right wing propaganda. There isn't even a way for us to debate this, it would basically be me telling you how you don't know X concept and proceeding to explain it to you, which I don't have neither the time, will or patience to do. If you want reading material, I'm more than glad to give it to you, just ask.

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@Clyde said:

@PinkerStinklage said:

@Clyde said:
By skin I mean most games like this are the same its a texture over a basic idea, this is a texture of an arena shooter or melee fps with a european identity, I would like it to stay that way if you think otherwise sure go for it. I'm not going to support a multicultural intersection game where sub-Saharan -African women characters can be made in full gothic armour that's absurdly cringe and ruins the game for me and I won't play or support it. I want my specific experience, identity and theme that I bought and expected at launch not to be defrauded and given a different one after release caused by hordes of leftist demands and threats at the developers to change it to suit their political agenda.

Celebrate your heritage by reading a fucking book, this is a VIDEO GAME. Females and other ethnicities are already in the game files, just not up to snuff for release according to devs. Getting worked up over a video game not being your last bastion of hope to celebrate your heritage is absurdly cringe.

No you act like the left isn't trying to push this in every medium they can including books, I will not give up a single medium, tv show, comic, movie, game, etc that expresses white identity to leftist hordes. Not happening man. Pop culture is important in modern times and you know it. in influences political change which is why the left. wants to impose their intersectional egalitarianism into it. They want to wield power and deconstruct white identity. I will voice what I want as the consumer what my interests are, and you can't do anything to stop me.

I'm a marxists so listen up bucko, we don't have anything to win by deconstructing white identity, this is just right wing propaganda tbh. What we deconstruct are class relations and anything related to it.

Yes, Marxism is present in pop culture and in games but no, it's not at all how you think it happens. Half-Life 2 for instance is a fine example of "marxism" in games, same for fallout 1, 2 and new vegas. I honestly feel fucking retarded by saying this, but it is what it is. Again, as a marxist, although these are example of cultural products that somewhat helps deconstructing class relations, they are nowhere near a well constructed criticism of capitalism or it's economy and class relations, but are intrinsically related to these themes.

You see, I'm pretty sure people behind these works aren't even intentionally trying to criticize capitalism, it just happens that we live under it, and naturally, social criticisms will inevitably go near all of this. It's what we can conceive.

So yeah, there is "Marxism" in your culture, but it is much more like a spontaneous thing than a elaborated and coordinated effort. I bet that if we could talk for at least one hour about society's problems, you would come up with criticism that unavoidably could be categorized as "marxist".

And, it has FUCKALL to do with white, black or yellow culture, it's a goddamn economic thing ffs. There objectively is nothing to gain by destroying white, black or yellow culture. This shit doesn't even make sense nowadays, describe white culture to me. Are The Beatles part of white culture? Rock and roll is white or black culture? Culture changes with time, it's not a monolithic thing. Time itself will destroy all of these cultures, we marxists just have to literally sit and watch, and laugh as you fuckers struggle against history itself for not understanding neither what culture is, or where the movement of history is leading us to.

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  • 3 Jul
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Living in fear of cultural bolshevism in 2019 LOL

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  • 3 Jul
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@Clyde said:
No, I will not cede any ground to the left, They have not added women or non-whites to the game yet and I won't support them if they do I and I will protest them ruining the game I paid for by appealing to people like you. This game is based on european identity and it should celebrate it, white european identity if you want it to be something else go play another game. there is nothing wrong with them making a game for white men. If other people like it sure? Enjoy it. I don't care, but I refuse to play a game where sub-Saharan-African women wear gothic knight armour, and I refuse to not speak up against it and resist it and speak out against it and there is nothing you can do to stop it. It's not a game just about sword combats its a game expression the european collective unconsciousness and history and you want to undermine white identity by design by destroying this representation in pop culture.

Have you considered pressing END irl friend? I think it's time you do tbh.

I don't think I have ever read so much dumb shit in one single post in my entire life, congratulations!

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  • 3 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:

@LethalKittens said:
people wanted females in the game, so they tried to add that to appease those people, then people said they didn't enjoy women in their game, so they tried to add a toggle to remove women.

Why do people keep assuming they began plans to add women after people started calling for it? They have had female characters planned for years now purely for customization reasons. They were not responding to any market demand or political agenda.

But what about muh cultural Marxism lazy??? The left man, think on the left! Most of the devs are from ex-ussr states, do you think it's a coincidence????? Clearly the Vietcong are behind this one!

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  • 3 Jul
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It makes me happy to think that it is profitable to make articles like that, that trigger all the edgy right wing kids in this forum tbh. Thanks for your services game journos, I hope you guys double down on that article. The tears are delicious.