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  • 14 Jul
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@TheKingInTheNorth said:

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Guys is this epic??

How about

What the fuck king this is epic man

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  • 14 Jul
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@LuxCandidus said:
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You are making the same mistake as everyone else dignifying the tripe in that article. Because you are displeased with the state of the community, you are letting it slide that the article is dripping with misinformation, dishonesty, political agenda that goes beyond simply decrying racists, and a complete lack of compassion for a tiny team of first-time developers who are overworked and underprepared for the booming success of their game. If all the article was saying is that the community is toxic, and that it needs to be improved, I would be on board.

Look at the claim it is actually making. It is saying the community got this bad not because moderation was not strict enough, not because there were no official measures against it such as a chat filter, but because the developers picked Medieval Europe as the (very loose) setting for the game, and apparently such a setting is evil and a breeding ground for supremacists, because it is often 'falsely' depicted as being predominantly white and male... even though the developers personally want to include females and darker skin tones, and are still standing by it despite the enormous backlash they have gotten. But let's suppose they didn't include those things, would that make it racist? If so, then I guess Chivalry is a vile, racist game too. I know your views Vanguard, but even you must see how preposterous that statement is.

I really don't see the problem claiming that medieval games are a breeding ground for white supremacists. It in fact is. Same as WW2 games Lux, these are also usually a highly disputed place between white supremacists and commies. See Red Orchestra 2 community for reference. Wehraboos and Tankies everywhere. WIth medieval europe you will have all these white supremacist incels trying to make the game their safe space.

Chiv was also filled with white supremacists, Der Furst came from Chiv's forums. Most of the "famous" right wingers from this forum also did. During early days, this place was literally a extention of Torn Banner's community but without moderation and it was pretty common to see conversations about why whites are biologically superior to everyone else. This shows that Chiv's community was also plaged by this, but moderation didn't allowed it to grow up.

The game not including females or or other skin tones other than whites is really not the problem, indeed, but don't you recognize that there is a group of people who activelly push towards these games to be kept like this and against any sort of diverity, and that these people are in fact 90% of the time fucking nazis or right wing edgelords? Just look at the arguments against women or other skin tones in this game, its glaring. Imagine if Torn Banner announces tomorrow that Chiv 2 will have black people and women, the natural response of a big part of this community will be "hue le SJW devs where muh realism tbh dis jew conspiracy against white man XD muh reparations".

So idk Lux, its not the fact that the game includes or not women and other skin tones other than white, is the fact that part of the community is militant about NOT including these people, and this part of the community are mostly the goddamn nazis and radical right wingers.

I would ignore the historical revisionism they are pushing by claiming Medieval battlefields were teeming with women and black people, because it is a separate discussion entirely, but I would be remiss not to point out journalism is supposed to be unbiased, while clearly the entire article is using Mordhau as an excuse for the writer to push their revisionist political agenda when they are paid to write about video games. In fact, he went out of his way to lie about Mordhau being advertised as historically accurate despite the developers never missing an opportunity to correct that misconception by saying the game is not meant to be a historical simulator at all. He did this so he can compare it to Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and treat them as the same thing, because the developers of that game have already garnered some notoriety by making statements people considered racist or bigoted. Everyone should condemn such cheap dishonesty, regardless of what their views are.

The article claims that this game falls under "low fantasy", which is true. The part where the article says mad shit is here imho, when saying why mordhau has only white males:

"If this was not an intentional design (and I’d like to hope it was not), and the developers were simply working under assumptions they believed were true, it’s hard to fault them--after all, they were working from the same popular culture depictions of medieval race that thousands of creators had before, each built on the same feedback loops of “authenticity” dating back to the Romantics and the Enlightenment scholars that constructed the fantasy in the first place. It is a legacy of obfuscation, designed specifically to play into the biases of early ethnonationalist scholars, artists, and politics. It is a legacy that lives on through not only unintentional depictions of a homogenous white medieval Europe, but through the adherents of modern white supremacy and white nationalism."

It doesn't consider the fact that the devs planed to have other skin tones and women since basically forever. Tbh though, the article is talking about what the game is, its coming from the same point of view of buyers of the released product imho. Its kind of a fair point when you consider that there isn't a roadmap or anything like this stating the plans for the game. It's what probably helps breeding right wing radicals too, since they get into the game and its the fucking white male orgy they always dreamt being part of too tbh, whithout any clear sign that the devs are still working on the customization options for the game.

In the end, this is also related to the fact that Mordhau was released as a finished product instead of a early access game, when in fact it is effectively NOT a finished product. It's clear the devs vision of this game is yet to be turned into reality, it lacks maps and customizations, maybe game modes they want to add etc. I don't blame them for this, money and Steam policies must play a fucking huge role here and it is lack of consideration on the article part to not consider this fact, that money and steam policies forces devs to release games in a state they didn't wanted to, which can cause... unforeseen consequences. But again, we don't have a book of mordhau development history, neither we can read the dev's minds so they must communicate and talk to people about these issues. We know these things because we follow this project and nerd about it since forever, but it's unreasonable to expect that people from the outside will have the same insights we do. Devs must speak up tbh.

And since people are so quick to point the finger at the developers and accuse them of being complicit with the racism, let me point the finger at that journalist and ask where all his outrage at Mordhau's setting was when he was writing his previous article on the game, in which he said he was having a lot of fun. Was he having so much fun he did not notice the characters are male? Or could it be that he liked the game, but as soon as he saw the bandwagon of people writing accusatory articles about the game, he hopped right on to get those clicks?

Sure, journalists do tends to bandwagon on what gives clicks. Really doesn't change the fact that medieval setting in games is a breeding ground for right wing radicals, same as WW2 games. And, although none of us could have predicted this would be such a big thing, I think its time to adress this officialy tbh. Mordhau is at the frontline of this political discussion in gaming communities now, it's not something the devs chose but such is life imho, they got sucked into the whirlwind of politics and now must deal with it.

I mean, this situation can be turned around in favor of the devs, but they must position themselves and say their political stance on all of this, how they view it, how has their experience been with all of this since the begining and all that. Silence and "centrism" will only lead to more shitstorm and people will keep trying to guess what the fuck is actually happening from a dev point of view. Some will say that yes, they are right wing radicals and have always wanted and allowed this to happen; some will say that no, they just could not have imagined this would happen and don't know how to deal with it, and so on. Better is to just say what the fuck is actually going on than to let this fuckery keep building up imho.

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@LuxCandidus said:
The biggest slap in the face regarding this sensationalised slander is that the writer got paid to write it. They are not only sabotaging the success of a young and ambitious indie company, but they also make a living out of it. And surprising to no one - they have no idea what they are talking about, else they would know females and darker skin tones are already planned, and were only absent from launch because the developers had to rush the game to a release-worthy state.

Lux, you are old enough on this community to know that this place fucking breeds nazis and fascists of all kinds. The article is not slandering the devs in any way tbh, its just stating this fact. You were here already back in the political thread days, weren't you?

Since fucking forever right wing radicals have tryied to make this community theirs, this is what the article is about and tbh it's very precise, these people are in fact since forever trying to make this community a safe space for right wing radicals, its a disputed territory. And the question that it brings is also expected, are the devs aware of this? How do they position themselves knowing this fact? Are they right wing radicals too or they simply don't know how to handle the situation?

I'm here since fucking forever and I don't know the devs political stance, liking it or not, this is what is at play here, their political stance. I believe they are not right wing radicals because they said they will be adding women and other races to the game, or if they are, they are not allowing their political beliefs mix with their work. Just answer it, its really that simple tbh. Are you guys right wing radicals? How do you feel about the FACT that this community breeds fucking right wing radicals?

If you devs think that taking a stance on this will have a severe impact on the sales numbers or some shit, I have to disagree. If the game is good, no one will give a flying fuck if you guys say all this right wing bullshit in your community is, well, bullshit.

I think honesty is the best way foward tbh, just fucking say it, take a stance on the subject. How do you feel about the politics of your community? Which side are you on?

This right wing problem is present in tons of gaming communities, even here in fucking Brazil tbh. What I think its happening now is that political parties realized gamers are a fucking huge part of their actual and future political cattle, so we have "agents" stirring shit up. Its starting to have a economic effect towards the devs side, and no dev has yet spoken about this fuckery. Maybe its time you know, to adress this fucking elephant in the room, all this obnoxious right wing fuckery in gaming communities.

TLDR: This place effectively has been disputed by right wingers through its history, and I think the devs should make a public post about their views on this subject.

PS: I know the "agents stirring shit up" part sounds kinda conspiracionist, but I have some real fucking good reasons to believe that this shit is actually goddamn real, at least in a few big brazillian gaming communities. I feel like in one of them I poked a wasp's nest, but this is something for another time. Its fucking creepy I shit you not.

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  • 5 Jul
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@CocyxTheGaySkeleton said:

@vanguard said:

@Donald Trump said:
@vanguard Why do you call yourself vanguard. Do you think you'll be in the front-lines protecting the world? You're more suited for the rearguard, with the old men, women and disabled. Don't worry, I'm sure they're very inclusive and disabled means both mentally AND physically disabled. That's why from now on I'll call you rearguard.

I call myself vanguard because that's how I called myself in the old chiv forums. I mained that class in chiv, so there's were it comes from. I'm one of the oldest users in this forum, and I basically posted only about the game itself and on the music thread, until the forum got invaded by a bunch of imbecile Nazis that can't shut the fuck up like yourself, spreading propaganda everywhere in here. So I was dragged to talk about politics and confront dumbasses like you. Once again this is happening.

But I like your version more tbh.

I told the devs and mods when the anti politics rule was made that eventually, a bunch of right wing mongoloids would fuck things up, again, and here we are. With a fucking journo article on the fact.

Do us all a favor and stop posting Donald. Aside from your monetary contribution to the project, you are literally a dead weight on this community, like every other right wing imbecile that can't shut the fuck up. You all do harm to the game and community, and are a bunch of inconsiderate fucks that have no empathy with the hard work the devs have put into their project, and are shitting all over it like the fucking manchild you are.

Go read a fucking book you pieces of shit.

ooooo so the weirdo antisocial opinions DID come from chiv? this explains a lot

Look at Crush's post history and you will find his answers to a guy named DerFurst. This dude was literally a Holocaust denier that ended up bringing more retards like him here. It was a fucking shitstorm... And yeah, that dude was also from chivs community.

Now it happens again, might be harder to contain this time though tbh, since the mods/devs let it evolve too much before taking severe actions.

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@Donald Trump said:
@vanguard Why do you call yourself vanguard. Do you think you'll be in the front-lines protecting the world? You're more suited for the rearguard, with the old men, women and disabled. Don't worry, I'm sure they're very inclusive and disabled means both mentally AND physically disabled. That's why from now on I'll call you rearguard.

I call myself vanguard because that's how I called myself in the old chiv forums. I mained that class in chiv, so there's were it comes from. I'm one of the oldest users in this forum, and I basically posted only about the game itself and on the music thread, until the forum got invaded by a bunch of imbecile Nazis that can't shut the fuck up like yourself, spreading propaganda everywhere in here. So I was dragged to talk about politics and confront dumbasses like you. Once again this is happening.

But I like your version more tbh.

I told the devs and mods when the anti politics rule was made that eventually, a bunch of right wing mongoloids would fuck things up, again, and here we are. With a fucking journo article on the fact.

Do us all a favor and stop posting Donald. Aside from your monetary contribution to the project, you are literally a dead weight on this community, like every other right wing imbecile that can't shut the fuck up. You all do harm to the game and community, and are a bunch of inconsiderate fucks that have no empathy with the YEARS of hard work the devs have put into their project, and are shitting all over it like the fucking manchild you are.

Go read a fucking book you pieces of shit.

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  • 5 Jul
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Ah yes, a right wing giving ammo to game journos. Great, I bet the devs are truly thankful for this imbecile post of yours.

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It's the second great political war here on this forum, I'm a veteran from the first one and I still have PTSD tbh, but as always, fascists lost that one. So let's get together as a community once again and stomp this evil at once.

Remember, no fascists = no ammo for capitalist journos to fuck the devs.

Here, have a inspiring song to motivate you, comrade

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@CocyxTheGaySkeleton said:

@vanguard said:
Lmao what Giru said was so fucking stupid that I'm pretty sure he was trolling tbh. No one can be that dumb without trying very hard to. Although fucking Clyde exists, so who knows man

i watched the bit in context of the vod because it did seem like a bit, but no he's very serious, sadly

Oh no.. Giru why

This is probably the most digestible, easy to follow and with legit sources series made on WW2. Yall need some fucking serious education, holy shit man. And I thought that brazil's education system was bankrupt, you fuckers in the "first" world are even worse it seems. I'm impressed lmao

Incredible how dumb people can get. Autoban for being a dumbass in a game = nazi germany, fascism. Ok.

Gamers were a mistake. We absolutely need gamers reeducation camps lmao

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  • 5 Jul
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Lmao what Giru said was so fucking stupid that I'm pretty sure he was trolling tbh. No one can be that dumb without trying very hard to. Although fucking Clyde exists, so who knows man

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@ToLazy4Name said:

@Rattsknecht said:

@ToLazy4Name said:

@six said:
Lol cant wait til my game journalist friend get a load of this one and publish it. Mordhau is racist and will go down as racist publicly

I was going to respond to you calling the death toll of communism fake, but then you posted this and I know you're either trolling or so stupid that nothing I say to you will have an impact.

Werent it like that the ridiculous 20-30-60-whatever million figures of stalins death toll have been debunked a fuckton of times already? Like when the ussr fell and you had access to the archives and shit.

I mean even if you take the most generous (to stalin) bodycounts, its still a fuckton of people and certainly enough to call him evil, you dont have to be literally worse than nazis to still be a pretty bad guy.

If i'm not mistaken, there is some contention over the death toll in the USSR, but the rest of the usually cited death tolls for other nations (China, Cambodia, etc) are accurate. Since China has the biggest death toll, that's more important anyway.

End of the day, tens of millions died, with a possibility for literally around 100 million being dead.

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LMAO come to brazil pls

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@TheDankestMeme said:

@vanguard said:

@Goof said:
Imagine being such a self-loathing lowlife that you justify your very existence by trying to put other people down for being patriotic.d0bfc93d4ecea5c6e7f59ce0cf9d6dcd.jpeg

Lmao I trigger u XDDDD is this a snowflake???? Libtard OWNED

We live in an alimony.

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  • 5 Jul
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Guys is this epic??

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@Goof said:
Imagine being such a self-loathing lowlife that you justify your very existence by trying to put other people down for being patriotic.d0bfc93d4ecea5c6e7f59ce0cf9d6dcd.jpeg

Lmao I trigger u XDDDD is this a snowflake???? Libtard OWNED

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  • 4 Jul
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Hey lazy look what I found, this is totally a legit message from US patriots and uhhh the army or something, not communists I swear no commie here friend

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  • 4 Jul
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@TheDankestMeme said:
vanguard go harvest my soja

I'll piss in ur soja too tbh

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  • 4 Jul
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@EatAtRedLobster said:
Vanguard all this time spent posting memes is time not spent picking my coffee beans.

Lmao

You keep saying shit to me and i'll piss in your coffee man!

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  • 4 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:
the first image is good the 2nd image is not

Goddamn you are hard to please Lazy, these are my last 2 tbh

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Gud??? Pls its hard to steal memes, do you have any idea where I have to poke around to find these shit???? Have consideration for me imho it's not a easy job

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  • 4 Jul
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@ToLazy4Name said:
see I liked your first two images and then you lost me

SHit, what about these here

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Hey happy 4th american friends I got some fireworks for you all!!1!!

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So tell me, how are the concentration camps working? Bik profits or meh?