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@ThunderDuck said:

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What's so funny about a camouflaged plane?

They forgot to pain the wheels with invisible LMAO

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Where did crushed played the nice libtard here?

What I understand is that this place was becoming a contested territory in some degree due to political talks, that is, the devs were losing control of the place. As a reaction, they steped up and took control of it, I don't see the problem here tbh or how that makes Crushed a libtard.

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Yeah, but it was my fault probably as I went full political there, and what I said could trigger more political talk tbh.

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@Humble Staff said:

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Because before the community was like 10 guys, lmao. Devs are wanting to advance to beta stage and get serious about their game and how its perceived tbh.

This and what Furst said.
Maybe the change was super abrupt but one way or another there would have been people that didn't like it just as it happened when the forum rules were introduced and people were intentionally breaking them like it was all a joke.
Anyway, you guys know that you can have a private message right? if any of you in there let the devs know about something that goes against the rules from that message you are busted but otherwise you can toss shit at each other as much as you want. Just saying, it's not all over (it's never ogre), you can also create a discord channel.

You are failing to understand the purpose of the political thread Mr Humble my good friend. I can safely affirm to you, after participating all the time there, that the intention of a few there was not to have a discussion, but to simply write stuff for other people to read.

Propaganda tbh.

I started talking politics here exactly because of this, one side kept doing this propaganda shit without any answer you see, so what I tried to do was to break it down, show it's insufficiencies etc so this place didn't become a fucking unbearable radical right-wing safe space.

Sometimes my arguments were completely ignored and instead I got a fucking blatant propaganda wall of text not answering me, but trying to convince spectators, talking to them instead.

So if we take out the spectator factor, you also take out the real reason some people had to post stuff there in the first place tbh. Read it and you will see what I mean, just be careful with brain damage.

Might sound funny, but we rarely had discussions there tbh.

That thread was mostly just people wanting to confirm their bias and propaganda. Nothing of much value was lost with it's closure imho.

Everyone​ knows that we could have kept discussing things via PM, the thread closed right after a argument I posted, if there was real interest in the discussion itself, I would have received a answer via PM by now, but I haven't.

Now devs are being shat uppon because they closed the propaganda channel they had here, no one actually is caring about "le interesting discussions" imho.

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  • 23 Feb
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I'm not disapointed at all with the game tbh, I think it is really fun. I laugh my ass off playing this shit every time, it is amazing. Even without voice acting, the emotes are fucking hilarious and the whole "express yourself" thingy shows A LOT of potential here.

There are a few flaws here and there but honestly they are small things imho, and doesn't compromise the fun aspect of the game at all. My biggest grip at the moment is the whole subtle drag thing, but even supposing this won't change in absolute any way in the final game, I'll still play it and still have fun with it tbh, the combat is still great compared to anything avaliable in the market or that will launch anytime soon. This is realy a unique game imho.

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I sorta agree with you Maci tbh, but thinking on the devs perspective, idk man, that thread was literaly full of cancer that could fuck up their image. Full of swearing, nazi propaganda, atheism, blatant herezy and disrespect towards both christianity and islam, devil worshiping, antisemitism, death threat to capitalists, business owners and other authorities, you name it. There were also legit good stuff there sometimes tbh. but basically, it was mostly offensive for everyone lmao.

Perhaps it was fun and sometimes interesting, at least for us who were there all the time and knew what we were dealing with, but think about a newcomer getting into the forum and reading all that shitshow of a thread.

Idk, some discussions there were surprisingly productive and respectful and I think we did got somewhere a few times, but most of the time it was just fucking endless cancer and offensive shitposts thrown at everyone's face, no matter if you are left, right, religious or not lmao. Truly a shitstorm of a thread tbh literally anyone could get offended reading it.

Don't get me wrong, you know I like to discuss things without having boundaries and don't really care about offensive stuff, the internet is sort of the ideal place for this if you can handle it, but idk man, I can see why the devs don't want this on their forums, it does get filthy as fuck, politics are not a pretty subject full of happyness and pacifist ideas.

The forum also becomes a contested territory, you know that. Politics leaks, it can't be properly contained.

But, this rule can create unecessary atrition between the moderators/devs and the community. As in, what is the treshold? How political you can get before being banned? If someone posts some shit about gaming industry being retarded, this is the sort of subject that is eminently political and yet related to the general forum's subject. Or some dumb political meme, or a political avatar picture, idk man.

What I'm trying to say is that while I do like these kind of discussions, this forum is not the best place for them and these things tends to generate considerable levels of shit on the forum's atmosphere, but i don't know to which degree you can actually avoid it. It sorta is inevitable imho I mean, it started out of the fucking nowhere right, lmao. It tends to start again all the time if you notice it, it is pretty hard to avoid politics.

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My two cents:

The state of the forums (and the posts of the people on here) directly reflect on the devs. Someone with radical or hateful beliefs posting in the politics thread can essentially cause the devs to be guilty by association since it's happening on their forums, and they're not doing anything to curb it. On top of that, the politics containment thread has bleed over into constructive topics about the game, which detracts from the majority of the community that doesn't care about the political beliefs of the other people that are on the forums.

At the end of the day, this forum is for the game. Allowing people to discuss these controversial topics doesn't actually benefit the community, and tends to either polarize people or create ill will between them. If you don't believe me, just read that thread - barely any of it is legitimate debate, and the rest of it is just name calling and shit-flinging. It doesn't look good on the devs or the game, and it doesn't benefit the community.

Yeah Jax, you said it much better then me tbh I fully agree with it.


Political shit is constant on Wargame community, it is hilarious tbh but there is more expected, it is a cold war game after all, there you really can't avoid it lmao. The ingame chat thing where you can talk to everyone online is pure gold

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  • 22 Feb
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Lmao I read your post at least 5 times now and I still can't figure what you are talking about properly. Rephrase pls tbh

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  • 22 Feb
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Will I get banned if I answer this man?

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  • 20 Feb
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Read it man, the worse it could happen is you suffer irreversible brain damage!

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  • 20 Feb
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Wtf this is so rude I'm out of here

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  • 20 Feb
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I really like how his foot is kinda sad, it really speaks to me this art of yours man thank you

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  • 20 Feb
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@KIWI said:
From what I've seen, the game roleplay wise is about as deep as an old CRPG/Obsidian title. That is to say, they took as much as they could into account when making the game from an RPG perspective.

Characters actually feel like people: they recognize your status within a community, what clothes you're wearing, how clean the clothes you're wearing are, if your armour is bloodied or not etc. If you come across a bunch of bandits in full plate armour and a longsword all covered in blood, they'll take one look at you and run away because, hell, if you saw some bloodied tank bounding towards you through the trees, would you wanna mess with him? Furthermore, in combat, you don't have to kill everyone to win against many opponents; if you take down enough people or execute one horribly in front of all the others, you can potentially scare them off or get them to surrender, and if you hurt someone enough they're sure to beg for mercy which opens up even more options for interaction. On the opposite end of the spectrum, wearing clean, shiny plate or regal attire will get you treated as a noble and you'll be treated as such.

Dialogue options are great too, so many ways to express yourself. There isn't just "speech" that dictates all of your social encounters, it takes into account both you and your verbal adversaries speech, strength, charisma, reputation, location of conversation (eg. trying to strongarm a soldier into doing something among his comrades vs. by himself), the current physical status of either of you (eg. if either of you are bleeding/dirty etc. as stated before, if either of you are drunk), maybe even more.

Quests have multiple ways to complete them, good example being one in the starter town which sees you trying to buy some charcoal from a merchant by selling some tools that Henry's dad lended to a friend of his. To get the tools from him, you can try persuade him into giving it to you, fight him for it, steal them from him by getting a lockpick from a friend, doing a small job for a group of friends so they'll help you beat up the guy, get your ass kicked and then go complain to Henry's dad about it and get the money from him, knock out the guy by sneaking up behind him and then take the key off his body to go steal the stuff that way, completely avoid going to that guy and finding a bunch of stuff in your house to upsell a lot to the charcoal merchant and then haggle down the price so you can actually afford it... Probably missed some options but you get the point. That's all one quest by the way. One stage of a quest.

What I'm trying to say is this feels like actual digital DnD with a fun GM instead of a bland modern Bethesda game.

Man I wasn't interested in this game, until I read your post. Sounds like a awesome game, I really like crpgs specially Obsidian games tbh, and although the combat is not Mordhau, it also isn't skyrim so that is a positive point in my book imho

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  • 20 Feb
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Is this red dude a villain?

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  • 20 Feb
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Bring your shit to the political thread you fuck, there is a big wall of text waiting for you there.

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  • 20 Feb
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@DerFurst said:
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Did you found this funny?

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@DerFurst said:
We're talking about PRACTICAL influence here, not philosophical influence. Lofty thoughts and ideas are meaningless if they're not practical. If they've been shown through history not to be practical, then there's a good chance the idea itself is bad.

I posted for you a link full of practical experiences of it. Practical influence, well, you have N labor unions around the world and marxism-leninism is pretty much a very practical influence as far as I can tell. State capitalism? A direct practical influence that you live under in this exact moment? CNT-FAI was the result of its influence and was quite the practical thing, same for paris commune and Makhno in Ukraine. Antifa? Anti-war movements in US? Do you really want me to list for you all the things that were influencied by this idea and had a practical, material effect?

Are you really saying there are no practical influences of this idea?

Uh, I'm gonna suppose you are talking about practial experiences instead. Why isn't it practical? They are 100% practical man, if it wasn't it wouldn't even happen in the first place. You know what isn't very practical? A baby being born out of a virgin and people fucking ressurecting. When was the last time you heard this happening?

You're complaining about Punzy's love of Jesus and adherence to the Bible acting like it's all an impractical and stupid thing, and yet it's clearly worked out for over a thousand years of trials... Is it really impractical if that's the case?

What do you mean by worked? It existed for thousands of years yeah, existing = working? I don't say that his adherence to the bible is impractical or stupid, I'm saying that the bible is fucking science fiction at best.

Practicality of the bible, are you fucking drunk? How are you going to put that to practice? Are you going to birth the son of god now or recreate the garden of eden? Nice word play though, you got survii good there lmao.

When has a commune ever worked? It worked for what, 6 months in a small part of Spain in Catalonia? Two weeks in the Paris Commune?

Primitive communism? Peasant communes in the middle ages? Workers selfmanagement in modern times? And yeah, it worked in Spain and Paris, doesn't that mean that it, you know, works?

The only time communism ever "worked" was when it wasn't even "real" communism, such as in the Soviet Union and in China. Does this still not bother you, that the only time it "worked" was when it was "wrong," and when it was "real" it didn't work?

Seems to me that for you work = time in existence, which is a pretty limited definition of "working", a shot in your own foot and a direct attack to fascists as well, as if this is your definition of working, then I'm sorry to tell you, but fascism also doesn't work, lmao.

I mean, the soviet union worked fine, but as a way of making capitalism, that was the idea behind it in the first place tbh idk why you guys attatch yourself so much in this "LE """"""REAL""""" COMMUNISM", as in trying to say that that thing was actualy communism, when even Lenin said that what they were doing was fucking capitalism. Any marxist-leninist will tell you this man, they aren't doing communism, they are controling capitalism.

The paris commune and the CNT also worked fine, no logistical problems and the economy was actually good, and worked as socialist experiences.

Communism is all about material things, right? It doesn't care much for metaphysical notions like "the soul," an "afterlife," or "one's divine purpose." Its morality is based purely on materialism - answering only questions such as who is oppressing who with capital, and who should own the means of production.

Uhh I guess, yes

If communism's entire basis is in materialism, and yet it fails completely on the material level, while mainly "spiritual" belief systems succeed on the material level with incredible and long lasting successes, shouldn't this tell you definitively that communism is a failure on the deepest level?

Why does it fail on the material level again? It is not that hard to conceive a communist mode of production in the first place, there are absolute 0 problems about logistics or on the operational level of the economy; the only problem there is is class struggle, the working class never managed to be strong enough militarily to impose its dictatorship. Don't you think it is just too soon to judge it? I mean, the proletariat exists for a short time, it is quite the recent stuff this wage labor as the main mode of production thingy Furst. How many years did the bourgeoisie didn't "failed" until it finaly gathered forces and stomped all over the nobility?


Again, you are being all dishonest with words, "It doesn't work". This doesn't mean literally anything, I can tell you how capitalism both doesn't work and at the same time how it also works, it all depends on what working means in the context, and this is what you are still refusing to give me. It is not the first time you come with this le communism doesn't work meme being all vague about it, as always, a fucking cheap demagogue. In what sense it doesn't work? Economically? It doesn't work because the experiences that got closer to it didn't last long? What context are you using to say it doesn't work?

Be careful with your answer Furst, lmao

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  • 19 Feb
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All anarcho-transhumanists I met to this day are also anarcho-communists. You know why? Because you can't have both automation of everything AND wage labor.