Mordhau
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  • 12 Oct
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@ĶiĻăƦesrumpMcBøøgerballls said:
But sadly this has devolved, as usual, into a retarded PCSJW shit storm that had legit concerns at the beginning, into personal attacks and that is simply boring and sadly got sucked into it.

You want to be a woman in armor, go for it, princess. I and many others, don't have to like it or enjoy it. Hopefully they will add a voice slider at a minimum and/or keep the designs to a bare minimum. To many of us, it just seems like a huge waste of time, energy and effort for little to no benefit other than transgender knight roleplay.

And I am done.

I do not understand people like you. I want to, I really do, but I just can't. I consider your views to be not quite extreme, but on the other end of my personal spectrum. But that's fine. Theoretically it would make for a good discussion with different opinions. Except it doesn't, because people like you, any time they are faced with an idea which doesn't perfectly align with their views, descend into insults like "PC SJW cuck".

You consider anything you disagree with to be "leftist cuckness", which further drives the point home that you're way too deep into political tribalism to have an actual, healthy discussion with anyone. America seems to be sinking deeper into the "left vs right" divide, to the point that it's becoming silly. And you are part of that. How can you be, I assume, 40+ years old and not entertain the idea that perhaps politics are more nuanced than red vs blue? That living together as a society entails compromises, and more importantly that people generally just want to be left alone to do their own thing without others telling them that their appearance, their sexuality or whatever is not "morally correct"?

I don't get it. But it baffles me that people like you can go through life thinking they're utterly and completely in the right for beratings others for holding different opinions. I pity you and your narrow mind.

Example: Why does anyone wanting to play as a woman have to be a transgender cuck or whatever? Can't they just find the idea of a badass warrior woman cool? The other dude keeps going on about roleplaying as a tough guy, and that's just dandy, but liking the idea of making and playing your own personal Brienne makes you a homo? We're not talking about fucking our in-game characters here, for crying out loud. You're merging game characters with sexual orientation, and I cannot fathom why.

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  • 11 Oct
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@ĶiĻăƦesrumpMcBøøgerballls said:
Be honest, when a woman is yelling at you, mom, sister, girlfriend, what do you do? Tune it out if at all possible or you bend the knee to get them to shut up. Who wants that in a game?

This says so, so very much about who you are and the shitty opinions you hold. I love it.

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  • 11 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Xatrian said:
strong women are gay who would possibly want to procreate with someone who could pass on genetics that would make your children strong and healthy
fucking homos

It's not gay to like healthy women but to like female bodybuilders and females that behave like men and so won't be proper wife material.
Having a fetish for women acting like men, if not explicitly sexual, is kinda gay.

I was on the fence about believing whether you actually hold these opinions until now. But congratulations, a troll well done. Go enjoy your well-earned rest, soldier.

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  • 10 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Xatrian said:
No, i'm saying that some people might like the aesthetic of a giant female warrior, which is exactly what I fucking said. You're injecting political motivation into every single thing you see.

feminism is not political in the strict sense as I just said, it's meta-political, feminism is about liking masculine stronk women. That's the all point of giant female warrior, because in fact, visually nothing will change, the height of characters can't change. Only stay your strange fetish for stronk women.

You cannot possibly think that. I refuse. That is just way too far gone.

"Feminism is about liking masculine stronk women". Just.. what?

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  • 10 Oct
 Seseau

You are very clearly not interested in any actual discussion, and you mostly want to listen to yourself. I don't understand why you made this post at all when you listen to nothing that is being said to you. You're basically acting like a child covering his ears.

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  • 10 Oct
 Seseau

@Shovonem said:
I honestly think Shield + One handed should be better than just one handed weapon. Otherwise there's no point of using Shield. Some people complain about OP shield and yet you barely see them in high level. People would rather use long weapons/better armor as they are better option in the team fight. On the other hand, shield is a crutch for noobs to last longer in a fight cuz you can just hold your block. Waiting to see what the devs bring on the table.

Shields in the hands of a good player is rather obnoxiously strong. I personally can't beat it at all. Against new or average players it's possible to just slam away at the guy without chambering or feinting to outstam him and drop the shield, but against better players who make their attacks look like garbage, it's a lost cause. At least for me. The guy becomes untouchable.

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  • 10 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Duguesclin said:
I already said why plenty of times. Because it's abnormal, non-historical

I already showed you there are at least a hundred named examples of warrior women since the Roman empire. You only responded to Jeanne D'Arc out of all of those. It's obvious you are the one ignoring the historical facts. Since we have hundreds of named examples, it's safe to assume there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of unknown ones. The history argument is completely invalid. Even if they are exceptions, it's historical grounds to include women in this game. Even though it's fucking retarded that we are arguing historical accuracy in a historically INSPIRED, not historically ACCURATE game.

Since you apparently find it hard to respond to every argument made, I will make it easy for you. Respond to these:

  1. Since we have a ton of examples of women warriors in the medieval period, as I have shown to you before, there is a good historical basis to include them in this game.
  2. Women can be included regardless of historical accuracy, since the game is not historically accurate in the first place.

I already showed you the list you linked is not reliable with examples like Johan of arc (used in the list), women in the sunnah (not fighters, only giving food and arrows to the men,...). Thus I don't care about the list you gave to me with all your laziness. Exceptions don't break the rules, anomalies existed in history. Also it's funny to see these "historians" even with their transformation of reality to their advantages have really few exceptions of women fighting given the geographical and historical range they take. Like the "one girl somewhere in the world have been buried with an axe ! wow it's totally a warrior ! It can't be the axe of one of her relatives !)Also, the list use legends and facts that can't be used as arguments in favor of women fighting (for example noblewomen leading armies (you don't have to go fight yourself in this case, and it's justified by necessities sometimes, so seen as a lesser evil but not justifying women fighting) and/or fortifying castles isn't an argument).
I also answered you on the Valkyries, showing you it's not a good example, since it's mythological... and the viking society were patriarchal.
The game is about warriors and knights, so women have no place. As the analysis of history show that 99% of the fighters were men we can clearly say that women fighting is not natural and is absurd, unless you make women weaker in this game. If you don't have immersion, don't break it for others.

Dozens of people have answered in the thread. You are literally the only one who cares this much about immersion, and just about everyone is telling you you're wrong. There's just the one baby boomer who's riding the thread to express his rampant misogyny.

I wouldn't even consider KingInTheNorth's argument about women warriors that uncanny. Yep, men are by and large vastly stronger than women. Yep, we have records of women fighters, albeit only the successful ones and they are few and far between. I'm sure that throughout the Middle Ages, at least a few women took on dudes and won. It's not an anomaly, it's just a minority. It existed, but not to the extent that it would be realistic to have battlefields with women soldiers only. Thankfully though, this is not a realistic game, as per the dev's own definition. You keep clamoring that it is, but if the makers tell you it's not, then at some point you have to accept that it's not. They get to define what the game is, not you.

Please, have a bit of perspective. You are tone deaf.

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  • 9 Oct
 Seseau

@ĶiĻăƦesrumpMcBøøgerballls said:

@Seseau said:
People like the guy with the Homer Simpson avatar scare me.

Does precious need a hug and a safe space? I have some warm soy milk for you.....

Funny you should say that, as you're the one who seemingly needs a male safe space from women.

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  • 8 Oct
 Seseau

People like the guy with the Homer Simpson avatar scare me.

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 Seseau

This is so bizarre. If you want historical accuracy, go read a historical novel or a textbook. Pretending women can be as physically strong as men on a general level is just as silly as pretending no woman warrior has ever existed.

As Monty said, the warriors in Mordhau are mercenaries. There, no knights. Ergo women who are able to fight can do it. End of discussion.

Also,

@Duguesclin said:

@renaissance said:
with how much you talk about wanting a "masculine atmosphere", im starting to think you're into sausage parties

@Seseau
The masculine atmosphere thing does sound kind of gay.

"bros are gay, and virility is homosexual" poor b8 m8 1/8

The implied message was: if you need to find your virility through a game, you're likely doing manhood wrong.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

The masculine atmosphere thing does sound kind of gay.

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 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@vanguard said:
Everything is "meta-political", not adding women could be seen as meta-political too, pandering to right-wing fundamentalists which this community is actually filled with. The fact is, everything is effectively political if you want it to be. Why this community has so much of this is beyond me, but it is nothing new really.

As long as you stray away from normality (i.e. women not fighting), it becomes meta-political (a feminist view of the world). Defending traditional roles doesn't make you a "right-wing fundamentalist" as you say, stop projecting, everyone isn't an extremist.

Also this "grounded in reality" as a base argument on why there shouldn't be women in the game is weak tbh, if you think on "grounded in reality", Silent Hill is that, half-life etc. Grounded in reality still means fantasy, its just not full retard fantasy.

Mordhau can't be compared to Silent Hill or Half-life because these are fantasy (not just fiction but fantastic genre), one being about zombies and the other about aliens.

What most people here are trying to tell you is that traditional values, as you like to call them, have no meaning whatsoever in the context of Mordhau. You complain about people bringing politics into the game when you're the one doing it. You choose to make this a political issue despite people telling you it isn't. Women exist. Some have fought in wars. There isn't much else to say.

The devs have decided to go in a direction you disapprove, they've even provided you an answer which says as much. It's their game, they don't have to mold it to your exact liking.

Quite frankly I find your idea of everything having to adhere to "normality" rather scary (who gets to define what is normal and what isn't? Just because something is consistent throughout history doesn't make it right or even normal. Up until the 1900s, it was not normal for women to have jobs. Turns out society does just fine when they have the ability to hold jobs, who knew). This isn't even talking about you bringing """feminism""" into the whole ordeal. Notice the many quotes around feminism, because you're really downsizing feminism to the nonsense we see these days about the few idiots claiming women and men are equal in every way, that women are just as physically strong as men, etc. Real feminism is just striving for equal rights between genders, nothing more, nothing less. True feminism is about the perception of men and women in regards to us as a society, it's not about redefining biological differences.

It baffles me that people bring that sort of topics into games. They are games for crying out loud. This is just about human beings in armor beating on each other and cutting their limbs off. The women we'll see will no doubt be closer to Brienne than to Scarlet Johansson. You have women at the Olympics who can lift and throw weighs, you have women who do MMA fighting, and so on. Is it that far-fetched that a more-bulky-than-usual-woman would put on an armor and go fight? I really don't think so.

PS: Silent Hill is so not about zombies. And Half-Life is science-fiction, not fantasy.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Seseau said:

@Duguesclin said:

@Duguesclin said:

@Seseau said:

Furthermore, and as I said, Joan of Arc was not just a flagbearer. It's all muddled of course, but a cursory look at her Wikipedia page will tell you she acted more as a general and that she sustained several wounds. Which means she was at the very least on the battlefield, and possibly partook in the fight. The truth of the matter is we don't know. But considering the fact that she was a religious lunatic, it would not surprise me if she did fight.

Look at some paintings, she was in the melee as a flag bearer. Yet we know she killed nobody. She defended herself when she was attacked for sure. But for example, when she was in jail, some men wanted to rape her, she only had to look at them, because of her aura, men left with shame, she is described as a saint.
Furthermore, exceptions don't break the rules. They are not less valid because of some transgressions.

Come on, man. I just said we don't know. We have no way of knowing. We have historical accounts which strongly suggest she acted as a general, because siege tactics drastically changed upon her arrival. We know she conducted several campaigns with the king's blessing, and that she did inspire men. We know she sustained wounds.

All we can do is extrapolate, and you're here referencing paintings like they're damn photos. I don't know if she fought. You don't know if she fought, and it would be foolish to pretend that you do for sure. We'll never know. I personally believe she was somewhat of a nutjob and likely did fight.

I base myself on respect historians like Régine Pernoud. Not on paintings, people say she was inspired by God, so she made the right choices as a general who gained the confidence of the french dauphin. But it's another thing than fighting and killing.

But your personal crusade against women in wars is now turning weird. It is very clear now that you are not interested in anyone's opinions and you just want to rant about "traditional values". In a game. Where you can defy physics. Have some perspective.

It's about traditional values as you say as much as it is about plausibility and the fact it break immersion to see a women soldier, because it's unnatural. I don't have personal crusade, I just like the game and don't want absurd women fighter to break the immersion.

Imagine that you're fighting Brienne from Game of Thrones then. I would certainly be scared.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Seseau said:

@Duguesclin said:

@Rattsknecht said:

What historical period is mordhau set in, again?

The period of realistic humanity where women don't fight.

There are many examples of women fighting. You're just choosing to ignore them all. If Joan of Arc doesn't suit you, we can go further in the past to find women like Boudica. It's worth noting that, while not completely relevant, her Wikipedia page shows examples of women being used on the battlefield as a last line of defence. During several battles, in the Roman era.

Is this saying that a regiment of women could take on a Roman legion? No. They would all surely die. But they did fight.

In relation to Boudica ? Well, you only have some exceptions, and even in these cases it's women who are not expected to fight (because in the last line). Like someone would fight with a fork if he lost his sword.

How much can you ask for? And more importantly, how much can you distort reality?

In that particular case, they were used as the last line of defence. Meaning there was most definitely a non-insignificant chance they would have to fight. They weren't thrown in at the last second, they were put in a strategic position, albeit a rather desperate one.

Again, I wasn't arguing that these women were absolute badasses and crushed every man they met. Just that they were fighting. We only hear about women like Joan of Arc because they were wildly successful. It seems a fair bet that there were many women fighters who were either not successful, or not successful enough to make their mark on history.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Duguesclin said:

@Seseau said:

Furthermore, and as I said, Joan of Arc was not just a flagbearer. It's all muddled of course, but a cursory look at her Wikipedia page will tell you she acted more as a general and that she sustained several wounds. Which means she was at the very least on the battlefield, and possibly partook in the fight. The truth of the matter is we don't know. But considering the fact that she was a religious lunatic, it would not surprise me if she did fight.

Look at some paintings, she was in the melee as a flag bearer. Yet we know she killed nobody. She defended herself when she was attacked for sure. But for example, when she was in jail, some men wanted to rape her, she only had to look at them, because of her aura, men left with shame, she is described as a saint.
Furthermore, exceptions don't break the rules. They are not less valid because of some transgressions.

Come on, man. I just said we don't know. We have no way of knowing. We have historical accounts which strongly suggest she acted as a general, because siege tactics drastically changed upon her arrival. We know she conducted several campaigns with the king's blessing, and that she did inspire men. We know she sustained wounds.

All we can do is extrapolate, and you're here referencing paintings like they're damn photos. I don't know if she fought. You don't know if she fought, and it would be foolish to pretend that you do for sure. We'll never know. I personally believe she was somewhat of a nutjob and likely did fight.

But your personal crusade against women in wars is now turning weird. It is very clear now that you are not interested in anyone's opinions and you just want to rant about "traditional values". In a game. Where you can defy physics. Have some perspective.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

@Duguesclin said:

@Rattsknecht said:

What historical period is mordhau set in, again?

The period of realistic humanity where women don't fight.

There are many examples of women fighting. You're just choosing to ignore them all. If Joan of Arc doesn't suit you, we can go further in the past to find women like Boudica. It's worth noting that, while not completely relevant, her Wikipedia page shows examples of women being used on the battlefield as a last line of defence. During several battles, in the Roman era.

Is this saying that a regiment of women could take on a Roman legion? No. They would all surely die. But they did fight.

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@Duguesclin said:

@Seseau said:

@Xatrian said:

@Seseau said:
I would personally consider adding women to the game as cool, and not "pandering". It's not like history is completely devoid of warrior women. Joan of Arc, anyone? The Night Witches?

It's certainly not as common as men soldiers, but it has happened consistently enough throughout history that it shouldn't break your immersion. Your problem isn't immersion, it's mysoginy.

please don't accuse people of misogyny when you can't even spell it

Good catch, I did mispell it. Thanks. Doesn't really change my point at all though? Arbitrarily not wanting women in a game is just so bizarre to me. Reading the man's words, it doesn't take much to really feel the hatred for women seeping through. Personally I don't get it. Women have been warriors, women have participated in wars and battles.

0,01% of warriors maybe, 0% of knights for sure. Women don't fight traditionnaly. But I understood you are a communist sympathizer so I get it you don't get it.

A good compromise would be to add women but limit them to a percentage per server, to account for historical accuracy. But historical accuracy is mostly a nonsensical argument used by gamers who have an oddly intense disliking of women being present in their universe.

As I said it would be 0% by server then. I like women in my universe, I just don't like them in a masculine sphere, it just don't makes sense.

Solid trolling there, friend. I'm a commie because I cite an example of women soldiers. And to think that you are likely allowed to vote. Haunting stuff.

edit: I understand you're a massive troll, but on the off chance that you are serious and that you threw the commie accusation because you're from the Eastern block, and therefore feel communism was a plague on your region... The addition, or existence, of women warriors is not political. Women soldiers, just like regular soldiers, fought in wars. Wars happen for a reason and are fought for a cause.

In this particular case, the cause of one fighting is irrelevant. Only the fact that they did fight matters. And some of them were women. It's also a very good point that only the most well-known women warriors are ever mentioned, and that there were likely a fair bit more throughout history who just never made it into the books.

Furthermore, and as I said, Joan of Arc was not just a flagbearer. It's all muddled of course, but a cursory look at her Wikipedia page will tell you she acted more as a general and that she sustained several wounds. Which means she was at the very least on the battlefield, and possibly partook in the fight. The truth of the matter is we don't know. But considering the fact that she was a religious lunatic, it would not surprise me if she did fight.

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 Seseau

@Xatrian said:

@Seseau said:

@Xatrian said:

@Seseau said:
I would personally consider adding women to the game as cool, and not "pandering". It's not like history is completely devoid of warrior women. Joan of Arc, anyone? The Night Witches?

It's certainly not as common as men soldiers, but it has happened consistently enough throughout history that it shouldn't break your immersion. Your problem isn't immersion, it's mysoginy.

please don't accuse people of misogyny when you can't even spell it

Good catch, I did mispell it. Thanks. Doesn't really change my point at all though? Arbitrarily not wanting women in a game is just so bizarre to me. Reading the man's words, it doesn't take much to really feel the hatred for women seeping through. Personally I don't get it. Women have been warriors, women have participated in wars and battles.

A good compromise would be to add women but limit them to a percentage per server, to account for historical accuracy. But historical accuracy is mostly a nonsensical argument used by gamers who have an oddly intense disliking of women being present in their universe.

If you're referring to Retsnom, he seems more like an older individual who hates the leftist politicking that has been creeping into the industry more so than a misogynist. I myself actually agree with where he's coming from, I simply think he's taking it too far.

Jumping to the conclusion that someone is simply a bigot isn't a smart move.

Perhaps. But having women warriors in a very loosely historically accurate video game is not politics by any stretch of the imagination. It closer relates to user options or player expression as others have said. Like I said, it has happened. It is a very strange hill to die on, that's all.

Tying it to politics and "left-wing lunacy" just comes off as a display of political tribalism, yada yada the other side can only be wrong and any idea not coherent with mine has to come from someone on the absolute other end of the spectrum. It's extremely narrow minded and shows a lack of tolerance, or at least a lack of will to understand one's peers.

Like I said, to me it's total nonsense. It's a game. Women have been soldiers and warriors, and Mordhau is not striving to be a supremely realistic game experience. It's a complete non-issue. We're not talking about adding universal healthcare to Mordhau here. I see nothing political.

edit: For the record to OP, Joan of Arc was not just a flagbearer. Modern historians agree she was not a savage warrior by any means, but she was more of a general/acting commander. And she did sustain wounds in battle.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

@Xatrian said:

@Seseau said:
I would personally consider adding women to the game as cool, and not "pandering". It's not like history is completely devoid of warrior women. Joan of Arc, anyone? The Night Witches?

It's certainly not as common as men soldiers, but it has happened consistently enough throughout history that it shouldn't break your immersion. Your problem isn't immersion, it's mysoginy.

please don't accuse people of misogyny when you can't even spell it

Good catch, I did mispell it. Thanks. Doesn't really change my point at all though? Arbitrarily not wanting women in a game is just so bizarre to me. Reading the man's words, it doesn't take much to really feel the hatred for women seeping through. Personally I don't get it. Women have been warriors, women have participated in wars and battles.

A good compromise would be to add women but limit them to a percentage per server, to account for historical accuracy. But historical accuracy is mostly a nonsensical argument used by gamers who have an oddly intense disliking of women being present in their universe.

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  • 6 Oct
 Seseau

I would personally consider adding women to the game as cool, and not "pandering". It's not like history is completely devoid of warrior women. Joan of Arc, anyone? The Night Witches?

It's certainly not as common as men soldiers, but it has happened consistently enough throughout history that it shouldn't break your immersion. Your problem isn't immersion, it's mysoginy.