@Humble Staff said:
Yea no.
Last night I launched the game to play with a friend, I played a few matches and the magic was gone. I was like a robot, I did things out of pure reflex and everything felt tasteless, even when I made some plays it felt like nothing.
All I could thing about is the years of below shit tier management of the community, horrid communication, bad decisions and the bigot moderation we have had to go through, that slowly made me loose the respect for the dev team. Not to talk about the big disappointment the game turned out to be, stupid decisions left and right, badly balanced maps and loads of stuff that could be hotfixed but are still in game, some since the alpha days, etc.
I still believe the game has a lot of potential because it's the best thing this genre has spawned up until now. But the biggest potential in my eyes is in the modding community, not on the dev team. They may learn from all of this and become actually good developers but at the pace they are going, any good results will be seen no earlier than years down the road.
I have started to watch chivalry 2 stuff and it actually looks like it could be a lot of fun and as good if not better in some aspects than Mordhau.
So yea, I'll be showing up for patches if there's anything interesting in them.

Hate to say it but I have to agree. I still enjoy the game and I have defended the devs for the longest time but they keep making super weird decisions that nobody seems to ask for. Can't keep defending their decision making forever. Closing the forum instead of trying to keep it alive through active moderation and promotion was probably the final straw for me. It's like they don't care about their community. They don't seem to listen to feedback much when it comes to the game, and the direction they're taking it in, either.

So I won't be quitting the game or anything (although Bannerlord is currently taking up all my gaming time anyway) but I'm no longer going to support the developers actively on the active discussion platforms we have left.

@ĶiĻăƦesrumpMcBøøgerballls said:
Just wanted to thank the devs for finally adding a MOTD with clickable links! Thank YOU!!
This is now on our server!
[Message of the day]http://rhinoceg.com/orangebox/kila/mmotd.html

Were you going for maximum cringe or is it just a happy accident?

@SWSeriousMike said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
And when that happens, there is room to open up a third-person only comp scene for example.

Even separating ranked between 1st and 3rd would have been fairer.

Yeah I would support that for sure.

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@SWSeriousMike said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
However, I'm happy they did. Ranked is supposed to be a competitive game mode for players who want to become competitive players. Hence, third being banned there is probably good. It prepares people better for real comp play. Would have been much worse if they played for 2000 hours in third then went to comp and see that they have practised for nothing.

Problem is that the comp rules are explicitly not official. Devs always distanced themselves from the comp scene (at least officially). "it has to grow naturally" and all that drivel. Nothing other than the low player count is prevent the advent of multiple comp scenes. We could have multiple world champions at the same time - just like in boxing. ;)

And when that happens, there is room to open up a third-person only comp scene for example.

Why can't there just be a diversity of play styles? There are 20+ weapons in the game, why can't there be multiple different control options and video options... thats one of the best things about this game, it gives you options to play however you want. Many games do not do that.

Good point. Like, we've been talking about 3rd and 1st person, but also consider for example that binds are objectively better than 240 because moving your mouse before attacking is always going to be milliseconds slower than pressing a button. Then there's people who set their resolutions differently so they can get more FOV. There are many more ways in which the openness of the controls and perspective actually create issues. All these combinations of settings lead to people having quite severely different gameplay experiences. It's a much deeper issue and to just say 'more options is better' sounds good on the surface, but may create even more issues.

I don't care about different classes and weapon and armour choices as long as we're all playing the same game, but the fact is, were kinda not. My gameplay as a sometimes-comp-mostly-casual 1st person 240 user is completely different from someone who only plays ranked duels in 3rd person with binds and FOV exploit. Now you have a game that needs to be balanced for everyone, but not everyone is experiencing the same aaaaaand this is where your head will start to hurt as a developer.

But these are issues that have been foreseen and should have been addressed before launch, not after everyone has settled into their own corner of the game.

@SWSeriousMike said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Isn't that convenient ;)

Well, just tally this up to the pile of headscratch-inducing decisions that the devs of this game have made and consquently reversed.

You painted a target on your back for nothing! :D
Let's hope that these animosities will be as short-lived as this issue.

Stay healthy, everyone! :)

I don't feel animosity towards anyone in this thread, just to clear that up.

Stay healthy boiz

@SWSeriousMike said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
However, I'm happy they did. Ranked is supposed to be a competitive game mode for players who want to become competitive players. Hence, third being banned there is probably good. It prepares people better for real comp play. Would have been much worse if they played for 2000 hours in third then went to comp and see that they have practised for nothing.

Problem is that the comp rules are explicitly not official. Devs always distanced themselves from the comp scene (at least officially). "it has to grow naturally" and all that drivel. Nothing other than the low player count is prevent the advent of multiple comp scenes. We could have multiple world champions at the same time - just like in boxing. ;)

And when that happens, there is room to open up a third-person only comp scene for example.

Isn't that convenient ;)

Well, just tally this up to the pile of headscratch-inducing decisions that the devs of this game have made and consquently reversed.

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

Ah yes because that sentance as it was written could not have been interpreted any other way lmao. This is why you should calm down before posting. It's getting quite embarrassing. First you accuse me of having an opinion I never expressed, just because I happen to agree with removing third from ranked and comp, now you go after my education?

For the record, in the context of the conversation your sentance could have been interpreted in more than one way. If you can't communicate what you're trying to say efectively and precisely, maybe don't comment on someone elses education. Alright bud?

I would comment on your myriad of spelling mistakes, but you nicely asked me not too :D!

You assigned a definition to what I was posting. How you managed to extrapolate "3rd person is an advantage" is mind-boggling to me. Seemed like an attempt at manipulation.

I think my English is passable for a non-native self taught speaker, no?

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
You can play third person in literally every mode except ranked duels, which is a shit mode anyway.

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Maybe you should calm down before posting cringe online.

Maybe you should post in a forum for a game you actually understand

fucking gotem

Wow, you said "Cringe" and "gotem" in the span of 2 posts. Youre a god damn master of the internet son.

Have a review https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198024020711/recommended/629760?snr=1_5_9__402

I encourage all 3rd person players to write their own.

Have you considered the fact we are having this conversation ON the internet?

@SWSeriousMike said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
To be fair he said it wouldn't be removed from the game. IIRC he never mentioned it being restricted from certain game modes.

Let's assume it was 1st pp that was removed. Would you still find that fair?

You can't do that shit after release. People knew that 3rd person was in the game when they bought it. They knew (at the moment) that it will be in ranked once it is added. They purchased the game considering this. But removing a feature that late after release when it was always said they wouldn't is just a scam.

You are focused on 3rd person perspective. The real issue is that they feel free to drastically change the game with no reason and accountability. People shouldn't just quit. They should demand refunds.

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
But again, IMHO a lot of this could have been prevented if it was locked to first from the start.

Exactly. It's too late now. They were confronted with this. But they just said: "nah it's fine. crush will work his balancing magic to reduce the advantages of 3rd pp and everything will be perfect forever".

Yeah, I actually don't disagree with you. Since the game was always marketed and developed as a first person slasher, I think the removal of first person would be way more shocking and unfair. Regardless, I agree that it's a bad move to remove it (again, from just one game mode) after launch.

However, I'm happy they did. Ranked is supposed to be a competitive game mode for players who want to become competitive players. Hence, third being banned there is probably good. It prepares people better for real comp play. Would have been much worse if they played for 2000 hours in third then went to comp and see that they have practised for nothing.

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Andre7XO said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

OK, then what's the problem if most play 1st? If 3rd gave incredible advantages, everyone would play it.

I never said 3rd gave incredible advantages, that was all other people.

@xXLuxXx said:

@Andre7XO said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

OK, then what's the problem if most play 1st? If 3rd gave incredible advantages, everyone would play it.

He doesn't have a point. He's just happy the game got easier from him as many 3rd person players won't be in ranked duels now. Pathetic.

lul I don't even play ranked

also did you just admit 3rd is an advantage?

Are you still taking high school english and science? I'm saying you'll have less diversity of fighters. I'm not gonna explain everything for you bud.

Ah yes because that sentance as it was written could not have been interpreted any other way lmao. This is why you should calm down before posting. It's getting quite embarrassing. First you accuse me of having an opinion I never expressed, just because I happen to agree with removing third from ranked and comp, now you go after my education?

For the record, in the context of the conversation your sentance could have been interpreted in more than one way. If you can't communicate what you're trying to say efectively and precisely, maybe don't comment on someone elses education. Alright bud?

@SWSeriousMike said:

@Stouty said:
Your own fault for maining cheese, same with the held parry shield users. You should never have expected to play your broken casual-bait perspective in competitive, especially seeing as it was banned in the chiv scene. Time to learn the game bud

But you do acknowledge that crush stated multiple times that it won't be banned? I really have no idea why you are so condescending.

I wonder how you would enjoy the game when crossbow headshots would instantly kill t3 heads. After all it was that way in Chivalry.

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

That's a little besides the point. E.g. I don't like playing in 3rd at all. I'm still pissed that they snuck in this change.

That's not the point I was making though. I was responding to the guy who said nobody would buy the game in the first place if it was locked to 1st.

And the point that ZugZug made is also valid and not disproved by your reply: If 3rd doesn't provide advantages, as was always claimed, then why is it banned now? Why is it banned only in ranked? If it is that cancerous, why isn't it banned from all official servers?

I don't think I've made that claim. I think there are advantages and disadvantages to both perspectives. But I feel a level playing field is preferable in competitive modes, hence I approve of locking it to first.

But again, IMHO a lot of this could have been prevented if it was locked to first from the start.

You can play third person in literally every mode except ranked duels, which is a shit mode anyway.

@xXLuxXx said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Maybe you should calm down before posting cringe online.

Maybe you should post in a forum for a game you actually understand

fucking gotem

@Andre7XO said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

OK, then what's the problem if most play 1st? If 3rd gave incredible advantages, everyone would play it.

I never said 3rd gave incredible advantages, that was all other people.

@xXLuxXx said:

@Andre7XO said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

OK, then what's the problem if most play 1st? If 3rd gave incredible advantages, everyone would play it.

He doesn't have a point. He's just happy the game got easier from him as many 3rd person players won't be in ranked duels now. Pathetic.

lul I don't even play ranked

also did you just admit 3rd is an advantage?

Maybe you should calm down before posting cringe online.

@SWSeriousMike said:

@Stouty said:
Your own fault for maining cheese, same with the held parry shield users. You should never have expected to play your broken casual-bait perspective in competitive, especially seeing as it was banned in the chiv scene. Time to learn the game bud

But you do acknowledge that crush stated multiple times that it won't be banned? I really have no idea why you are so condescending.

I wonder how you would enjoy the game when crossbow headshots would instantly kill t3 heads. After all it was that way in Chivalry.

To be fair he said it wouldn't be removed from the game. IIRC he never mentioned it being restricted from certain game modes.

Nobody is saying they are better because they play in 1st you donkey.

Plenty of games are locked to first person and perform perfectly fine. Also, I've not seen any evidence of a great player exodus after they removed 3rd from ranked.

In fact every single person I know from Mordhau and Chivalry plays in 1st.

Putting in third person mode at all was a mistake and I've said so since before the game went into alpha. Should've leveled the playing field from the start and not divide the playerbase.

Third person does not belong in any attempts at competitive modes, in order to keep the playing field even.

Thanks for letting us know tbh. Else everyone would be like yo where Cyrus at.