Public ban appeals are against the rules, however I have revoked your ban. Be good now.

The Jolly Fellowship.

Some players have been experiencing this issue. Here are some things that might fix it for you until it is officially dealt with:

For those of you who get the "VAC check timed out". Please consider trying out the new steam beta. Go to steam settings, and under the beta, choose to opt in. The new beta addresses some vac issues.

Possibly the number one archer in the entire game, and no less deadly in close quarters.

I really appreciate the new model of smaller, more frequent updates. Keep up the good work.

In the future, report rule-breakers by directly messaging a moderator. Thank you.

Just pointing this out, the biggest playtest the developers could do is a 5v5, assuming all of them are present and available. They have no way of knowing what it will be like for a full 32v32 server.

The last update introduced chat bans. Certain players that have been reported in the past for racism or similar offenses but were never banned for it have instead received a chat ban for a week or so.

It depends on the extent to which you broke the rules. Most likely you were banned for a few hours.

@SWSeriousMike said:
Instead of urging the devs to answer you became the lackey to do their dirty work. Instead of saying to them "finally respond to that shit or moderate your forum yourself - I'm not taking the blame for your troll code" you became an enabler. You probably don't even get paid for that shit. and here you are taking fire for something that clearly isn't your mistake. You are cannon fodder.

No one is making me take the blame for this, nor was I the one to carry out the ban in the first place. I responded because you suggested Peacerer was banned for a reason other than spam, when he was not. I have only participated here so as to clear misconceptions. And whether the developers answer questions is up to them, not me. I would really love for there to be more communication too, but between telling them to handle moderation themselves, or helping tidy up the forums in whatever way I can, I choose the latter.

And you shouldn't delete them either. Mark them as inappropriate. You can't retroactively delete every inappropriate post in this forum. But you could at least mark them to set a clear precedent. Suddenly there would be guidelines and examples -> actual rules. I suggested that months ago.

I am not against this and will pass the suggestion along.

I was talking about an abstract philosophical concept that applies to politics. How can I know that this is against the rules when other more political posts obviously weren't? Even those that are actually unlawful in more than one country. It's ridiculous that you banned Furst for that post but not for others (which I PMed you about long ago).

The rules are a joke. Racial prejudice is against the rules but spamming racial slurs isn't. Nobody knows where you draw the line. And moderators draw their line elsewhere. And do you know why? Because the rules are so murky that they are practically inconsistent. And instead of saying "Fucking make up clear rules or moderate your goddamn forum yourselves." you keep silent. Why? Do you enjoy being questioned and doubted at any move?

I was more lenient several weeks ago, but due to the opinions being expressed that moderators do not enforce the rules, I chose to be more strict from thereon out. And what I enjoy is lending a helping hand; Being questioned, accused, or disagreed with is just part of the job.

And instead of asking me about my suggestions you try to brand my posts as "misinformation". That ban was just a bad decision. It is intransparent and the reasoning is weak and unconvincing. Some people ask more regularly "where patchie?" than Peacerer bumped his question.

No, I was not referring to your posts but the one I replied to before them. And calling it a bad decision is fine, but originally you were claiming the reason given was just an excuse.

@SWSeriousMike said:
Lazy is not a moderator (yet?). And as such he doesn't represent a bigger body than himself. You on the other hand have the power to suspend people and delete comments. Of course you are held to a different standard.

I expect to be held to a higher standard.

I tested it on the Steam forums. "Spam" is just a blanket term that you (not specifically you, Lux) can use whenever you are annoyed and too lazy to come up with a reasoning.

Tested it? We are 13 or so moderators split across the game, forums, discord, subreddit, and steam forums. We might not punish every instance of spam, but that does not mean we should not do it at all. And sure, you could always argue what constitutes spam. In the case of Peacerer, who posted the same question 12 times in one thread, I think that qualifies, regardless of the developers not answering his question.

Want to hear my real issue with that? The post is still up. As are others that were deemed ban-worthy. So let's assume for a moment someone new would join the forums. Now at the moment that might sound ridiculous, but let's just humor the thought.

Said new member of the forum reads my post and others. Many others. Some hostile, some political, some both. How is said new member expected to know what is allowed and what not?

The reason I personally do not delete such posts is because certain people instantly assume we are covering something up or trying to censor someone needlessly. I thought banning whoever made such a post would be enough. But you make a good point; I will start deleting such comments so that new users do not misunderstand what is and is not allowed.

I used the same wording as you. You shouldn't lower yourself to write stuff like "blatantly false". While I'm not sour over the reasons I assume for the suspension, "political discussion" is just a convenient cop-out again. The rules never gave examples. When people discuss which city is bigger they are talking about "affairs of the cities".

It was blatantly false in the most literal way. And you lost me with the next part. Furst brought up politics, and Cocyx and you joined the discussion. What is the cop-out, and if it is a cop-out, what would be the actual reason you were suspended?

I would write you a list of improvements that would increase overall satisfaction with the moderation system. You wouldn't need to change your policies (please don't ban) for that. But as long as feedback is just ignored, this forum is not worthy of that effort.

And please believe me, Lux. It's not personal for me. You just happen to be the most active mod on the forums. And I haven't forgotten that posts are now replaced with a placeholder and I assume that you contributed to this. The moderation is still very intransparent though and I'd rather wish for you to acknowledge that instead of looking for excuses.

Now this is a convenient cop-out. You could make legitimate suggestions, but there would be no point, so instead you do the more meaningful thing of shooting down my efforts to correct misinformation such as the kind found in the post I was originally responding to.

I am not looking for any excuses. I stand by everything I have said, and I have at no point felt a need to be dishonest.

I checked the edit history for the rules since the clause about sporadic mistakes only resulting in warnings did not sound familiar to me at all, and it was removed on the 11th of April 2017.

@Humble Staff said:
Out of all the moderators, seeing you Lux getting down to the level of name calling a forum member and quoting fucking Lazy hits the hardest.

I quoted Lazy to keep my response a little less serious despite showing genuine distaste for Mike's response. From what I have seen Mike is also amused by Lazy's demeanour, so I would say you are blowing this out of proportion, which would not be a first. Sorry Humble, but I practically see you do this any time someone gets banned or something gets deleted.

As for name calling, I thought it was more than fair after I made an effort to be more transparent and he spat on it with a response that had four different instances of him implying I was being insincere and was just thinking up an excuse to ban him.

@Humble Staff said:
he is just back from a stupidly undeserved ban

He was participating in a political discussion. His ban was shorter than the others' due to having less involvement and also having many constructive posts about the game.

@Humble Staff said:
and he is right, moderation sucks here.

His attitude of dismissing my efforts and assuming the worst is really helping, as is your penchant for screaming bloody murder whenever someone is suspended, even if for a week, even if in clear violation of a rule. But it is not just when someone is suspended - right now you are equally upset he was insulted.

@Humble Staff said:
You guys do ok until one day bam, surprise ban, fuck the rules.

The consensus in that thread was that the moderators do not do anything. Once some people got suspended for a clear violation of the rules, people like you complained about the moderators being too tyranical. Face it: nothing will ever be enough for you.

SA ranked servers are already confirmed.

In the words of Lazy - "why do I bother responding to such creatures". I made an effort to be transparent, but since you would rather be a smarmy little cretin about it, forget I said anything, Mike.

@SWSeriousMike said:
Blatantly false. See Peacerer. Some people still being around doesn't prove that no one was banned.

Peacerer was banned for spamming, not criticising or questioning the developers.

@sneakers said:
What's not surprising is the obvious lack of effort and testing gone into said patch.

Neither is it surprising someone who knows nothing about game development assumes a lack of effort when unforeseen problems arise.

@sneakers said:
Servers have not been fixed.

They are still working on the new back-end. They have two programmers, not just for networking but for the entirety of the game.

@sneakers said:
People are asking for South American servers only to be not responded to and have the thread with related questions closed down.

Blatantly false. SA servers were confirmed despite the developers believing it will not be worth it, due to high demand.

@sneakers said:
Suspending people questioning what's happened with all the money that this company made.

Blatantly false. No one has been suspended for such a reason, and plenty of people who have trash talked the developers for years are still here.

A profanity filter is necessary for streamers and other people who would get demonetised because of the contents of the chat.

Using slurs of any kind has been against the rules since day one, and why a games company would have such a rule should be obvious to even the daftest people.

I am going to do you a favour and close this thread before you incur a ban for breaking rule 3 or 5.

https://mordhau.com/forum/comment/231120/find/