@Zherot said:
I have been noticing that in this game there is a clear bias towards 2 handed weapons users, everything seems to revolve around 2 handed being at the top which is stupid because you made other options in the game like bows or 1 handed weapons and shields and for what?
You nerfed shields today even when good players told you that the only thing that needed a buff was the kick,...
You also nerfed stab even when good players told you that it was easy enough to counter it with chambers....
There is archery too, which is terribly implemented on purpose, you can parry arrows, slow proyectile speed, no stun on hit, chase mechanic that shits on Archers and again benefits 2 handed users... Damage reduced through armor, high cost in bows being unable to equip anything, archery is just a shit show...
All of the above can be traced back to 2 handed users... All of it is for the sale of 2 handed to be the best loadout.
Look, your game is good, is amazing and it is fun but to be honest i highly dislike this situation and in no way i was informed that you were meant to be playing 2 handed only and that other loadouts were just for the memes or just secondary non optimal loadouts, i thought the game was about OPTIONS and variety.
If things gonna keep like this i would like yo así for a refund, i respect that you can make the game as imbalanced towards 1 loadout as you want, but this is not what i paid for.
They've done what they have with archery and shields because in the games that inspired this one they made combat unfun. Bows could not be defended against unless you had a shield, had high damage and flew fast, and on top of that good luck catching them because they'll just kite you and fill you with arrows. Shields have been notorious for making the pace of combat turn into a crawl, and while they were fixed to fit within Mordhau's quick pace, the blocking area they previously had made the only viable way of countering them to either jump overhead or try to stam them out, which doesn't work if they're wielding something fast like the rapier. You can still play with these effectively, very effectively in fact, just don't expect either of these to carry you like in other games of the genre.
And on your point about bows being expensive, only the longbow is (with good reason), the other two let you take them, a billhook and have T2 head and chest. Even trade the billhook for a bastard sword and the T2 chest or head for a T3.
I'm all for this. Maybe this is how people brand new get their gold early game so by the time they've done all the situations they'll have enough gold and experience with weapons that they can buy their favourites and have some neat looking gear while they're at it. Maybe even theme the rewards after the mission ie. That vassal ambush situation could reward gold highlights or the barfight some brawler looking peasant clothing?
@Maci said:
Godddd I can't wait anymore
Been playing a lot of SWAT 4 with Elite Force mod again recently
This is my new Mordhau regarding hype tbh
Oh and almost nobody knows about this little project, it's 2D but also kind of a police sim. It's lacking content currently, as the Dev is focusing on the technical / mechanical aspects at the moment but it has amazing gore and general organ / bloodflow simulation and so on. A lot of cool shit simulation wise going on in the game, the dev is a really nice guy too.
The Video linked on the homepage uses very exaggerated settings btw for the blood spilling, it's on realistic levels by default.
Christ the level of detail in just the breathing of SWAT members is nuts
I've been playing the game for the past 2 days, holy shit are the deaths detailed and brutal, i shot a guy in the lung and head and he fell to the ground, he started coughing up blood, you can actually see and hear them coughing out blood which alone is pretty fucked up, but then the guy started to have a fucking seizure so i shot him again in the head and only then did his body go completely limp and lifeless.
Honestly kinda hoping similar shit is in Ready or Not. Seeing the dev blogs coming out it's looking to be very promising. All these games need now is the dark subject matter to go with it.
@Maci said:
Godddd I can't wait anymore
Been playing a lot of SWAT 4 with Elite Force mod again recently
This is my new Mordhau regarding hype tbh
Oh and almost nobody knows about this little project, it's 2D but also kind of a police sim. It's lacking content currently, as the Dev is focusing on the technical / mechanical aspects at the moment but it has amazing gore and general organ / bloodflow simulation and so on. A lot of cool shit simulation wise going on in the game, the dev is a really nice guy too.
I heard on Jax's stream that you guys aren't going to implement plumes on helmets. What's the reason for that? Too much work, resource hog, art style/visual clarity concerns? I think it's a real shame that you won't be adding them, thought they would work rather well.
The gunplay and environment response look superb! Also, good AI? Hell yes. This looks like something I could end up liking a lot.
The way that one terrorist rolls into cover after getting shot at reminds me of the game F.E.A.R, which (for those who haven't played that masterpiece yet) has some of the most organic and dynamic enemy AI.
Updates to that game keep me surprised with their fidelity. The attention to detail in the environments, characters, body destruction, combat etc. are all amazing. Hopefully that keeps up when they move onto the story side of things, keeping at the level of SWAT 4.
Just played through SWAT 4 with the Elite Force mod and getting through some custom maps, yet despite completing that I want more of this. More games that make you follow the rules of engagement that police have to follow, more taking down bad guys with less-lethal weaponry and arresting them, more saving ordinary people and more of this segmented storytelling that's almost episodic in it's presentation.
I think it's a shame people are comparing this game to Rainbow Six, especially to Siege considering the fact that Siege is a high octane CS:GO/Battlefield with heroes/characters while SWAT was more in line with a police sim with a emphasis on keeping as many people alive as possible. Seeing as how the website for this game says "Bring order to chaos" at least once and has less-lethal equipment I'm going to assume they're going for SWAT.
Anyway since the initial posting of this thread, there's been almost no devblog updates but there have been small updates in the form of images on their Instagram and Facebook and will answer questions on those platforms in relatively short time. They got themselves a publisher too, one that they say has the same vision as them. Hopefully they have an update soon. In the meanwhile I'll be replaying SWAT 4 over and over.
16 May
ＫＩＷＩThey've done what they have with archery and shields because in the games that inspired this one they made combat unfun. Bows could not be defended against unless you had a shield, had high damage and flew fast, and on top of that good luck catching them because they'll just kite you and fill you with arrows. Shields have been notorious for making the pace of combat turn into a crawl, and while they were fixed to fit within Mordhau's quick pace, the blocking area they previously had made the only viable way of countering them to either jump overhead or try to stam them out, which doesn't work if they're wielding something fast like the rapier. You can still play with these effectively, very effectively in fact, just don't expect either of these to carry you like in other games of the genre.
And on your point about bows being expensive, only the longbow is (with good reason), the other two let you take them, a billhook and have T2 head and chest. Even trade the billhook for a bastard sword and the T2 chest or head for a T3.
16 May
ＫＩＷＩpls nvr leav again ty <3
2 Nov '18
ＫＩＷＩI'm all for this. Maybe this is how people brand new get their gold early game so by the time they've done all the situations they'll have enough gold and experience with weapons that they can buy their favourites and have some neat looking gear while they're at it. Maybe even theme the rewards after the mission ie. That vassal ambush situation could reward gold highlights or the barfight some brawler looking peasant clothing?
20 Apr '18
ＫＩＷＩ@Jax ily bb, ty for being a part of dis gaem
6 Apr '18
ＫＩＷＩHonestly kinda hoping similar shit is in Ready or Not. Seeing the dev blogs coming out it's looking to be very promising. All these games need now is the dark subject matter to go with it.
6 Apr '18
ＫＩＷＩChrist the level of detail in just the breathing of SWAT members is nuts
5 Apr '18
ＫＩＷＩhandgonne wen tbh, i wan fully semi auto assault clip weapons
5 Apr '18
ＫＩＷＩI heard on Jax's stream that you guys aren't going to implement plumes on helmets. What's the reason for that? Too much work, resource hog, art style/visual clarity concerns? I think it's a real shame that you won't be adding them, thought they would work rather well.
22 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩUpdates to that game keep me surprised with their fidelity. The attention to detail in the environments, characters, body destruction, combat etc. are all amazing. Hopefully that keeps up when they move onto the story side of things, keeping at the level of SWAT 4.
10 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩa gud boi tbh
8 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩweeb tbh
ʷᵃᶰ ᶜᵘᵈᵈᶫᵉ
8 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩ7 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩO O F
literally how do recover tbh
7 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩI'm necroing this because I'm an asshole. Sue me.
Just played through SWAT 4 with the Elite Force mod and getting through some custom maps, yet despite completing that I want more of this. More games that make you follow the rules of engagement that police have to follow, more taking down bad guys with less-lethal weaponry and arresting them, more saving ordinary people and more of this segmented storytelling that's almost episodic in it's presentation.
I think it's a shame people are comparing this game to Rainbow Six, especially to Siege considering the fact that Siege is a high octane CS:GO/Battlefield with heroes/characters while SWAT was more in line with a police sim with a emphasis on keeping as many people alive as possible. Seeing as how the website for this game says "Bring order to chaos" at least once and has less-lethal equipment I'm going to assume they're going for SWAT.
Anyway since the initial posting of this thread, there's been almost no devblog updates but there have been small updates in the form of images on their Instagram and Facebook and will answer questions on those platforms in relatively short time. They got themselves a publisher too, one that they say has the same vision as them. Hopefully they have an update soon. In the meanwhile I'll be replaying SWAT 4 over and over.
So yeah, fuck you I necro'd this thread :^)
6 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩcloset gay detected tbh imho
2 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩthat's a bit gay faffy
2 Mar '18
ＫＩＷＩCould do with a bite to eat
28 Feb '18
ＫＩＷＩBonus points for the Maori
28 Feb '18
ＫＩＷＩno u
28 Feb '18
ＫＩＷＩnew boye??