@SWSeriousMike said:

@alonesilverwolf said:

@SWSeriousMike said:
I don't know why you guys are arguing about how much the player base has decreased instead of focusing on suggestions on how to increase player retention.

Every time someone does, you belittle it, because usually it involves getting rid of the ballerinas, and from what I've seen of your past posts, you don't see a problem with it.

That's rubbish. I disagree with specific ideas and not with suggestions in general. Why do you try to make this personal?

"Ballerinas" are a problem inherent to the game design. I doubt you can get rid of them.
Also I don't think that "ballerinas" are what's driving the most players away. Map balancing, sucky archery and ridiculous cavalry are doing a better job at that.

Certainly all of those contribute, but Chiv had very specific reasons for their playerbase abandoning the game. Mordhau was supposed to address these issues. Yet here we are.

I do think the things you mentioned definitely aren't helping, but I think the biggest issue is the ballerina crap.

That said, unless we polled everyone who quit, we will never know for sure why they left. Given how much of the playerbase does come from chivalry, though, I think my idea has some merrit.

@SWSeriousMike said:
I don't know why you guys are arguing about how much the player base has decreased instead of focusing on suggestions on how to increase player retention.

Every time someone does, you belittle it, because usually it involves getting rid of the ballerinas, and from what I've seen of your past posts, you don't see a problem with it.

Players are bleeding as they realize the devs promises are empty and will never be realized. They leave as they slowly realize that the very things that made them leave Chivalry are present in this game, albeit to a lesser degree. The devs specifically said this would not be in the game, yet here it is and no statement about it or anything.

I can understand why players are leaving. It's getting harder to stick by the game. It is a hell of alot of fun, but there are so many flaws

@Dialectic said:

@Highlander said:

@Dialectic said:

@Highlander said:

@Dialectic said:

@Highlander said:

@Dialectic said:
Drop in numbers means nothing. 12k players for Mordhau is actually fantastic. But keep nail biting if you enjoy it.

How is it nail biting to lay out in a positive and constructive way different things that could bring players back. How in anyway can that offend you

I'm not offended, I'm just disagreeing with your premise because you don't understand player count statistics.

Mordhau is doing great for now. Devs are working on maps and game modes and mod tools. Just have fun and be patient.

Mordhau has done well sales wise but like 80% of the players who bought the game have put it down, which some may argue is predestined but I believe we should do everything possible to grow and restore the community so we don’t end up like chiv with fucking 2000 players who all know each other. And I said I was confident but this topic is justified because we can all agree crossroads is a deeply flawed map and while the devs are working tirelessly to make new content there is still some huge problems the game needs to address to have any chance of having a larger community.

I don't agree with your premises that 1) decline in playerbase is indicative of a problem, and 2) that "we" can stop it.

I've already made a post elsewhere giving statistical comparisons which demonstrate that mordhau is doing far better than it's predecessors chivalry, mirage, and warband.

You want maps and game modes? They are already working on those...... It's been 2 months bro.

There is no roadmap so there is no way to know what they are working on, but they also added crossroads and a lot of my points are straight gameplay problems. A decline in community is inevitable, that is the nature of the game, but the lack of matchmaking and maps multiplied the speed of its decline in my opinion. I wouldn’t have made this post if they hadn’t dropped a good but deeply flawed content update that shows that there are still some pretty glaring issues that need addressing, map design being the big one.

"No way to know what they are working on"

And there's a real simple example of why your opinions are bad. They announced what they are working on in their week 1 update in the announcement section. They've also reiterated what they are working on with the recent patch.

If you can't be bothered to pay attention to literally anything then I'm done taking your comments seriously in any way.

To be fair, if the devs actually updated patch information HERE, more would see it

@PartyClass said:
The best counter is to not spend time using cheapo cheesy velveeta weapons and loadouts. If you're going to class a shield + rapier, all you're going to learn to do abuse the stab speed and block without aiming at their weapon. Instead accept that you'll die to better players while you're still getting better and thats OK, practice individual moves or sets of moves outside of frontline so you don't get overwhelmed.

Don't leave training wheels on your bike because you're afraid of falling, then be dumbfounded by more adept cyclists.

I personally enjoy a rapier/buckler build. Not only is it historically accurate, but there are a couple of really good Renaissance looking pieces of armor that work well with that style. It's a lot of fun.

@de.tail said:
I am a filthy casual myself.

See, this is why I love the internet. Everyone interprets what they read differently.

No, not every casual is going to be a bad player, some might even be really good at multiplayer games. I was generalizing your average casual gamer as whole.

I too have completed a lot of games - in the past (though mostly back when I gamed on consoles, as I had a lot less games than I have on pc), but these days I don't really have the time & can't be bothered with single player games as it's much easier to bang on a multiplayer game & have a laugh with friends while chatting about random shite in voice chat.

quick edit: by complete, I didn't mean they are incapable of completing a game because they are bad player, I meant they start games, but lose interest & move onto new games, because they don't have a lot of spare time, or a new game catches their eye, etc.

Then I apologize for misinterpreting lmao. You really sounded like you were bashing us filthy casuals :p I have a small number of games I haven't completed at least once, and if I haven't, it is for a reason!

I get what you mean though. I work 8 to 10 hours a day, so I have to prioritize what games get my attention. My poor PC is gonna get the short end of the stick here soon, as Final Fantasy 7 Remake releases in March.

Had the game kick me from the servers twice now, it said: Connection timed out: Waiting for steam inventory.

I haven't seen anything about this particular error yet. I am about to try and get into a match again, now that I verified integrity of game files. I'll post if that solved the issue or not.

EDIT:

Verifying integrity of files has worked so far. We will see if it continues to do so.

@de.tail said:

@Highlander said:

@DefendinMyBase said:
I'm 101% sure Unlikely is not affiliated with Mordhau in any way shape or form.

Also population decline was entirely inevitable. This game is very punishing for newcomers and also game population always declines massively after launch. The bigger the launch the more hangers on, but Mordhau's peak was "only" 60k concurrent players.

And you guys are acting like 18k is a small number of players. That's not small at all, that's like 9 times what the devs ever expected.

And the game would be so much less extremely punishing for new players if we just group people into games based on levels, but who knows if the population is big enough to group people in games based on their level.

Don't agree with this as levels mean absolutely nothing. A level 0 that's just good at melee/fps games or has played other fps melee games before or is just good at multiplayer games in general will be able to demolish people in their level range or higher. The only way to accurately group people (& I use the word accurately loosely, with a pinch of salt) would be to take a whole bunch of each players stats into consideration & then compare them to other people with similar stats, because as I said, levels mean absolutely nothing.

I am now almost level 42 & I still get demolished by most players on custom duel servers because I still make stupid mistakes, & I'm pretty average when it comes to pvp multiplayer games in general. I can aim, I can attack, I know what I'm supposed to do, I know a bunch of tactics, but I often struggle to actually put those tactics into effect while I'm playing.

As for why the game is declining... it's a niche game & your average filthy casual most likely doesn't have the time or patience to put in hours & hours of practice to learn every single mechanic the game has to offer. The average filthy casual gamer tends to flit around between games they own, & rarely completes any of them. You can't expect them to stick around & enjoy the game when they are constantly getting demolished completely everytime they play. The only thing that's going to get them to stick around (if they at least initially found the game fun) is regular new content & modes that they can play that don't require them to learn the ins-&-outs of the game.

idk where the fuck you get off saying "filthy casual players" rarely finish games and overall bashing the people who lack the time to even attempt getting good enough to be beyond casual. Plenty of casual players like myself complete their games. We may not be the top tier players, but most of us "casuals" can hold our own, and play (and complete) a wide variety of games.

Check your elitist bullshit at the door.

@ManicChampion said:
You're an idiot, what do you think the dagger was for? The one every man at arms carried. Historical combat between two fighters in full plate would result in a grappling match with the winner getting ontop of the other and either stabbing him in the face or granting mercy (usually for ransom).

Ontop of this, it was impossible to do in close order. Which indicates to the presence of the hooks found on bills and halberds. Hook it round the armor at distance and pull him over. Hopefully it works AND he doesn't cut you down and then someone could MAYBE stab him in the face, or groin.

We know how effective plate is, so given the choice why would anyone choose a loadout that doesn't have full plate. I don't care if it only left you enough points for a wooden spoon, YOU'RE IN FULL PLATE.

So if you're going to bitch and moan about how a stab shouldn't work, aren't you going to bitch and moan there are no wrestling mechanics, no ransom mechanics, and no point to having anything other than full plate? No your not. You're just going to bitch and moan.

I know quite a bit about medieval stuff like this, at least on the hobby level. Yeah, gonna need to see a source for this, Chief. My understanding is this is one of those myths that didn't really happen. But I may be wrong. If you have a source, I'd love to see it.

It must be hard being this fucking stupid.

@ToLazy4Name said:
Literally every single thing said in the OP is bad advice or straight up incorrect, this is actually impressive lmao

As impressive as my drunken rant?

@ToLazy4Name said:

@LumpyCustard said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
just fucking quit holy shit you're starting to make these threads like botas does no one gives a flying fuck

You're pretty fixated on this Botas dude, do you have a crush?

when there's a retard running around on the forums that everyone knows is retarded why wouldn't you use him as a comparison

Yeah I was kinda drunk and overly salty when I made this last night x_x

@blobl said:
I'd like to remind that this bug is not fixed and is REALLY annoying

Nope, not fixed and it is one of the reasons I stopped playing for 2 weeks up until today. Had a few hours of duels, and yet again, I'm done.

Man seriously, fuck these incompetent devs. They really don't seem like they give a flying shit at this point.

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Why the fuck should I play it over those games? Give me one good fuckin reason, seriously.

Parries don't register right.

Hits don't register right

Attack queuing is all fucked.

Chivalry garbage is still present, albeit not as bad

Seriously. What is the fuckin point? At this rate, I could play For Honor. Why should I play this piece of crap unbalanced shithole of a game, when I could play THAT piece of crap, unbalanced shithole of a game, and at least have the peace of mind that THAT game doesn't pretend to NOT be a piece of crap shithole of a game?

@EruTheTeapot said:
Aah good ol' "Raging and bitching without giving proper argument" threads, love these

Sometimes you really need to vent.

Screw this crap. At least Chivalry wasn't trying to PRETEND to be something it's not.

Better and more refined chivalry my ass. Fuck this game. Fin.

@Goatie said:
I sucked at reading feints in chiv but there are days in Mordhau where I'm like a brick wall to feints and morphs which shows that they are readable here. You need to be calm and chill or your brain will make you right click anything on sight.

Soooo true. I have matches where I am like Mr Pro, not falling for a single feint; then days where I'm day 2 noob and die in 3 hits lmao

@recurf said:
feints are borderline useless, ure just bad

YOU obviously don't know how to use feints then, so it's you who is bad.

@yvesgomes said:
Maybe it's because I'm also not a native. But that translation didn't seem that bad to me.

It's not, the kid is just being a dick because he thinks it's cool.

@smellycathawk said:

@alonesilverwolf said:

@smellycathawk said:

@ZyklonBen said:

@BOBOLOJOE said:
combat always has and always will be about movement and timing.

someone who has the best footwork and can dance around well, will always be a good warrior.

ever see a high ranking player mow down your whole team in front of you while you swing wildly at his back and wonder how he keeps moving away from your attack last second without even looking at you?

movement and timing.

clashing swords like luke skywalker and darth vader looks cool but isn't very realistic.
trading parries is pointless
lure a swing, step back, counter, kill, done, next target

This combat is more about who fucks the system more.

What is your region? I will fight you standing still.

Oh boy, look at Mr. Tough Guy, whipping out your 9 inch E-peen and slamming it down on the table. Careful, wrong guy might cut it off.

I already challenged you to a duel also. I'm guessing I could probably 2v1 you guys pretty consistently? Given the quality of your opinions in the majority of your posts. My monster penis is nice but it has nothing on my ability to kill.

lmfao, yeah, because opinions on the game totally reflect skill. I can disagree with a system and stil understand it and know how to use it.

You are just a little arrogant prick, sitting in mommies basement, tomato red face reading over any criticism of the game, brushing the cheeto dust from your neckfuzz and 'rahrahrah'ing at anything you disagree with.

Get a life kiddo. And some sunshine. Wasting away in a basement is bad for you

@smellycathawk said:

@ZyklonBen said:

@BOBOLOJOE said:
combat always has and always will be about movement and timing.

someone who has the best footwork and can dance around well, will always be a good warrior.

ever see a high ranking player mow down your whole team in front of you while you swing wildly at his back and wonder how he keeps moving away from your attack last second without even looking at you?

movement and timing.

clashing swords like luke skywalker and darth vader looks cool but isn't very realistic.
trading parries is pointless
lure a swing, step back, counter, kill, done, next target

This combat is more about who fucks the system more.

What is your region? I will fight you standing still.

Oh boy, look at Mr. Tough Guy, whipping out your 9 inch E-peen and slamming it down on the table. Careful, wrong guy might cut it off.