Mordhau

Votekick Abuse

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  • 3 Nov
 Charle

Im getting so sick of this, the % team damage you do means nothing when vote kicking, I was votekicked for being a "battle-axe noob", just trying to play the game, had a score of 29-13 and was happy I was going to earn some good gold and exp. Not to mention people that team kill you, then votekick you when you call them out on it.

This is seriously inhibiting my ability to enjoy this game, I love playing mordhau but the vote kick system is just broken as it is. I think we should make it so people can't be vote kicked if their team damage is below 40% or something. Im not a game developer so I don't know the best way to go about this, I just want to play the game that I bought.

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  • 3 Nov
 Sir Zombie

The current votekick system is the least abusable one.

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  • 3 Nov
 Charle

@Sir Zombie said:
The current votekick system is the least abusable one.

It's definitely better than it was before, but that doesn't mean there's no room for improvement

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  • 3 Nov
 Sir Zombie

Any change is just room for more abuse.

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  • 3 Nov
 Charle

@Sir Zombie said:
Any change is just room for more abuse.

I understand your point, but the way it is now is still really bad.

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  • 3 Nov
 esturias

@Sir Zombie said:
The current votekick system is the least abusable one.

How many votekick systems do you know to end up with that conclusion?
There is a lot of room for improvement. And if there is a lot of room for improvement, that improvement will hardly add more space for abuse.
Trolls tried to votekick me multiple times this weekend. One time I had only 4% TD and was high enough on the scoreboard, so his multiple tries failed. But the other time I had 16 or 17% TD, so people just pressed page up because people are dumb.

Again: A lot of room for improvement. And we need improvement.

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  • 3 Nov
 jmg052985

@Sir Zombie said:
Any change is just room for more abuse.

That's false. Tell me in what world a 40% vote passes someone to get vote kicked. The % needs to be higher, or they need to start counting people who don't vote as NO, instead of just taking the sample size of people who do vote. The vote kick system is terrible, top score players and low team damage % players get vote kicked for no reason all the time. Something needs to be done to fix this trash system, and it wouldn't take much effort if the developers gave enough shits about quality of life aspects to this game.

Simple fixes
-Keep the % the same, just don't allow top scoreboard players/low team damage % players to be troll vote kicked.
-Make the % much much higher, 80-90% if you aren't going to count people who don't vote as NO, and about 60-70% if you do start to count non voters are NO.

Then here come the typical people "well what if someone isn't team killing, what if they're spawn blocking ( even though spawn blocking got patched months ago ). Simple, if someone is troll blocking somehow, even though grad door got bigger, have a counter to show how many entities the player is placing, such as spikes/walls. Simple easy fixes to solve a huge problem in the very common vote kick trolling.

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  • 3 Nov
 CazzyVR

Ha, I don't even know how to start a Vote Kick

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 Goof

Duel servers have been overrun by trolls abusing the votekick system for the past few days.

Nearly impossible to stay in the server unless you let them RDM you repeatedly. Once you kill them for attempting, they start a votekick.

The main problem is that idiots don't pay attention and press Page Up for everything.

Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about it unless you have your own server and actively have admins who keep things in check.

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 esturias

@Goof said:
Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about it

You mean... nothing but fixing the obvious problems and imroving the whole system. And for the devs to start caring about removing trolls and other idiots.

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 Goof

@esturias said:

@Goof said:
Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about it

You mean... nothing but fixing the obvious problems and imroving the whole system. And for the devs to start caring about removing trolls and other idiots.

The only change they can make that would possibly work would be tying the abusers Steam ID to a report list that removes their ability to initiate votekicks.

  • My comment was also in reference to the current system as is, in case you didn't pick up on that.

However, even this would eventually be abused by trolls who report legit players. Then the normal guy could never votekick.
There's just not an easy way to approach the subject with a solution that couldn't be abused.

The devs could definitely change it, if they will or not remains to be seen.

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  • 5 Nov
 PartyClass

The problem is the idea of votekick itself. There could be additional information provided to aid it, but the only way you'll ever be happy is if you have an unbiased admin(s) acting as a referee

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  • 5 Nov
 esturias

@PartyClass said:
The problem is the idea of votekick itself. There could be additional information provided to aid it, but the only way you'll ever be happy is if you have an unbiased admin(s) acting as a referee

You just need a proper votekick system. Or at least a better one than we have.

btw: Got votekicked by idiots twice this evening.

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@esturias said:

@PartyClass said:
The problem is the idea of votekick itself. There could be additional information provided to aid it, but the only way you'll ever be happy is if you have an unbiased admin(s) acting as a referee

You just need a proper votekick system. Or at least a better one than we have.

btw: Got votekicked by idiots twice this evening.

What is a proper votekick system? The whole concept of it is that a bunch of people are voting to exile others based on very limited information. Especially in a larger server where no one knows who you are, of course their choice is going to suck. You're either going to make it difficult to kick assholes, or a little too easy to kick innocent people.

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  • 6 Nov
 esturias

@PartyClass said:
What is a proper votekick system? The whole concept of it is that a bunch of people are voting to exile others based on very limited information.

A proper votekick system is one that does find a good balance between the two extremes you mentioned, using mechanics that are used in both the gaming as well as in the communication part of the internet since over 20 years.
Mechanics that can be as smple as a textfield in the votekick window, giving you the option to note down a reason.

votekick PartyClass(He is a teamkiller!)

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  • 6 Nov
 jmg052985

@PartyClass said:

@esturias said:

@PartyClass said:
The problem is the idea of votekick itself. There could be additional information provided to aid it, but the only way you'll ever be happy is if you have an unbiased admin(s) acting as a referee

You just need a proper votekick system. Or at least a better one than we have.

btw: Got votekicked by idiots twice this evening.

What is a proper votekick system? The whole concept of it is that a bunch of people are voting to exile others based on very limited information. Especially in a larger server where no one knows who you are, of course their choice is going to suck. You're either going to make it difficult to kick assholes, or a little too easy to kick innocent people.

A proper vote kick system is one where you need more than 40% of the players to vote yes to pass. It's terrible the way it is, the MINORITY has power over the MAJORITY, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE. THAT MEANS ONLY THE SAMPLE SIZE OF PEOPLE WHO VOTE COUNT AGAINST THE PLAYERS FATE.

I don't know a vote kick system that's more broken than this. This system is the worst on any game, and it wont take much to fix it.

People still want to be able to vote kick the occasional cheater, so obviously there has to be some sort of system that's left in place, but other than that, there really isn't any need for it. There is already an auto-kick for 7ish team kills (forgot the number).

A simple fix would be up the % of players who need to vote yes for the vote to pass, and count all the people who don't vote as NO. Another simple fix would be make sure people under 10% team damage are immune to vote kick, and make sure top scoreboard players are immune to vote kick. This solves vote kick trolling, you leave in the auto TK kick, and for the most part all trolling to this game is solved. As far as cheaters go, you probably want to focus more on anti-cheat than vote kick, and cheating in this game really isn't to OP. Yeah some guy has auto block and aimbot, but he cant really do anything a skilled player can't do.

Get to work devs.

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  • 6 Nov
 Cracksmith

I’d say its less a matter of system and more of a community problem. TF2 has an extremely similar vote kick system, but its hardly ever abused in this manner. Therefore, I’d say issues like this cant be solved simply by fiddling with percentages and vote numbers.

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@Charle said:
I think we should make it so people can't be vote kicked if their team damage is below 40% or something.

Lmao please be a troll post. If someone manages to be so fucking thick they smack a teammate half the time they attack then they should be temporarily banned, not become immune to votekicks.

If it were up to me I'd let votekicks trigger automatically as "low" as 10-15%.

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 Redeaux

This happened all the time in Chiv, I should know, my friends and I used to do this a lot. This works in absolutely any game with a votekick feature, and is hilarious. I'm happy some folks finally brought back the tradition. Live by the RDM, die by the RDM.
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The vote kick system has changed a lot and people were always complaining. I have to agree with Cracksmith here. The community is full of edgy kids. The decent folks are clearly in a minority here.