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Right wing death squads when

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  • 7 Jan
 vanguard

@ToLazy4Name said:

@vanguard said:
Well fair point tbh. Then you read all that shit, ok, now I really dont get it; I mean, you have said that you actually have to pay a acceptable wage so workers are willing to work for you? If so, how then do you explain, you know, places who pay like shit and have shit conditions and still have people working there, and if the owner fire all of them, he still can hire more because there are people available, and then fire them all again, hire new people again etc (which usually actually happens with lower wages jobs)? How does your school of thought explains this phenomenon?

Those people are unskilled and don't have other skills that they can offer for a higher wage. Typically, people in this situation are only there temporarily. Take McDonalds for example. In the USA (because I know this isn't the same everywhere due to the USA being more economically well off) there's an almost 100% turnover rate for McDonalds employees. The vast majority of people who go to work at McDonalds do so temporarily as their first job so they can acquire some skills and then move on to more gainful employment. The reason these people aren't paid alot is that they're not worth alot. If they were paid alot, the business would have to drastically raise its prices, and typically the business would then go out of business because no one wants to buy their shitty expensive product. People are in general paid in accordance with the wealth they generate, which is why someone who flips burgers isn't paid anywhere near the same amount as someone who performs life saving surgery.

I see, but for instance USA has a serious education and cultural problem doesnt it? Don't you think this ends up making people depend on this kind of shitty job to survive? Its what happen here in brazil I mean, public education is completely fucked up and while there exist good schools here, they are expensive as FUCK. What happens is that only who already has a kind of rich family (like doctors, owners and shit) can afford these schools. And m8 let me tell u, shitty jobs can easily destroy your body and mind, take miners, farmers, factory workers (have you even been in a foundry for example?) etc.

Family also, if you have a wife and kids and they deppend on you, this will make you a hostage in your workplace.

Not to mention that doesn't even have shitty jobs for everyone, so homeless and effective poverty problem is glaring here. This is a weapon in the hands of the owners, because for instance lets say this bossman abuses authority like a cunt, if a worker tryies to do something he can simply fire the guy and hire another one, absolute 0 problems for him (oh and he also threats you to fuck with your ass if future employers call for reference! Isnt that just great). This makes that you gotta endure every sort of abuse if you don't want to be unemployed.

I've seen this happen oh so many times man, and everyone that worked with me in the 5 different places I already worked, they also could tell you creepy stories about how you should thank your lord for the golden opportunity he is giving you to lick his balls, and if you are not happy or feel abused, feel free to be unemployed since there is this army of unemployed people outside just waiting to take your position. I mean, this creates a cancerous envyronment in the workplace, everyone becomes salty as fuck because no one wants to be there and its funny, because when the owner is present, everyone fakes happyness, laugh at his unfunny ass jokes etc... it even looks like forced labour man you can clearly see that if people had the option, they would get the fuck out of there or in some cases kill the owner and his whole family with no problemo at all, laughing at it while they do it even. Strikes at the General Motors plant I worked tended to get violent quickly.

Also I can't see how this is fair I mean, lets take a vehicle factory for example, the worker is cheap right? But the product he makes is expensive as fuck, the profit in automotive sectors (specially in 3rd world countries) is ridiculous even so high it is. In fact, you see that the biggest profit rate are here in the developing world and at the same time, the shittiest wages and work conditions as well. These 2 things are obviously related, owners can save a fuckload of money here simply because workers can't do fuckall to improve their conditions, since they can be easily replaced and left to die.

I still fail to see why factory labors, garbage workers, farmers, miners etc should be deprived of access to goods and live in shitty conditions suffering N kinds of abuse, while owners deserve everything and a bit more even. I don't see how this could possibly be fair, its work exploitation as I see it, same as feudal lords and the church in middle ages etc

A highly authoritarian system tbh imo, forces people to do fucked up things I mean, you think that the workers enjoy the strikes and shit? Most of the workers actually do it because it gets effectively unbearable (they are risking their subsistence when they do it), all they want is a fair deal you see, fair conditions etc, that is something capitalism seems to be unable to give under global circunstances. It does in a few countries, but at the cost of the majority of others. As you said, some places simply can't afford to give workers fair conditions, otherwise the product gets expensive and shit

Idk man

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  • 7 Jan
 Sammy

I fucking love dickgirls.

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  • 7 Jan
 vanguard

But I.. Wha

I mean

ok

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  • 7 Jan
 DerFurst

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

you haven't been punched in the face a statistically significant amount of times to know someone wants to hurt you yet

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  • 7 Jan
 Carlo_Mano

@DerFurst said:

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

No but they are necessary when you claim that violence is peaking in EU. You're evading.

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@Carlo_Mano said:

@DerFurst said:

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

No but they are necessary when you claim that violence is peaking in EU. You're evading.

violence is peaking in EU but still a ton higher in USA
tough the violence in EU will probably never be higher than in US/South america

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Vanguard, there are alot of issues with all countries that need to be addressed. I'm not attempting to say that my system is perfect. It's not, and no system is. However, I believe my system is the best one for improving the lot of the average, ordinary man, and the record of history tends to back me up. Look at places like Hong Kong who only a few generations ago were essentially 3rd world, yet due to their absolutely unrestrained free market capitalist system they now have one of the highest average life expectancies in the world and one of the more rapidly growing economies in the world. This record repeats across the world in places like Singapore, Switzerland, and up until recently the United States. Meanwhile, socialist nations like Venezuela, the defunct USSR, Zimbabwe, etc are all universally complete shitholes. I know you want communism and you see it as the ultimate goal that will fix everything, but there's nothing I can do to engage with that belief because it's rooted entirely outside of the realm of normal political discourse. All I ask is that one day you put aside your utopian hopes and actually delve into the current reality of the world (socialism vs capitalism) and see what is the best system to be under when operating within the standards of normal politics, and then try to improve upon those systems instead of just shouting about how your utopian ideal would fix everything (especially when quite a few people, like myself, would literally rather die than participate in it).

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@TheDankestMeme said:

@Carlo_Mano said:

@DerFurst said:

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

No but they are necessary when you claim that violence is peaking in EU. You're evading.

violence is peaking in EU but still a ton higher in USA
tough the violence in EU will probably never be higher than in US/South america

Again, i'm more than willing to discuss the reasons behind the USA's crime rate and i'm more than willing to say that yeah, the USA is quite a bit more violent than most EU countries. What i'm getting at is that the influx of migrants has caused a spike in crime, put a weight on the tax payer and resulted in alot of cultural upheaval (there's a reason Brexit won and right wing nationalist parties are winning in polls). A quick google search would show you this, with the best refutation of what i'm saying coming from Politifact (who'd have guessed) yet they still admit the increase in crime.

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 DerFurst

@Carlo_Mano said:

@DerFurst said:

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

No but they are necessary when you claim that violence is peaking in EU. You're evading.

You're an idiot if you think that Muslims, who have a religion utterly opposed to Christianity, have grown up in a religiously intolerant and strict society which indoctrinates the religion from birth, and whose ancestors have been at war with Europe for nearly a thousand of years (and whose pre-Muslim ancestors had been at war for another thousand), are going to play nice when they get a free ticket to Europe and promises of social welfare for nothing.

The point is, you don't need statistics to have common fucking sense. Muslim immigration is going to create more violence, because it would be impossible for it not to given what you know about Muslims already.

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  • 7 Jan
 mrjoe

i already watched that retard's culture matters video. yes culture matters but not everyone with the same skin shares the same culture so it's a dumb video.

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@ToLazy4Name said:

@TheDankestMeme said:

@Carlo_Mano said:

@DerFurst said:

@Carlo_Mano said:
This is not numbers, it is a very subjective video. Then again, I suppose that's the type of infos they get in Trump-Land

numbers are not necessary to know when someone is attacking you

No but they are necessary when you claim that violence is peaking in EU. You're evading.

violence is peaking in EU but still a ton higher in USA
tough the violence in EU will probably never be higher than in US/South america

What i'm getting at is that the influx of migrants has caused a spike in crime

And its obvious.
Retarded feminists are the only ones that doesnt understand this.

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 vanguard

@ToLazy4Name said:
Vanguard, there are alot of issues with all countries that need to be addressed. I'm not attempting to say that my system is perfect. It's not, and no system is. However, I believe my system is the best one for improving the lot of the average, ordinary man, and the record of history tends to back me up. Look at places like Hong Kong who only a few generations ago were essentially 3rd world, yet due to their absolutely unrestrained free market capitalist system they now have one of the highest average life expectancies in the world and one of the more rapidly growing economies in the world. This record repeats across the world in places like Singapore, Switzerland, and up until recently the United States. Meanwhile, socialist nations like Venezuela, the defunct USSR, Zimbabwe, etc are all universally complete shitholes. I know you want communism and you see it as the ultimate goal that will fix everything, but there's nothing I can do to engage with that belief because it's rooted entirely outside of the realm of normal political discourse.

Well it really depends on the region, like South America is basically free market, and have been for a long time. But you gotta understand that here is a region that have never had economic independence, and history does back me up in this I mean, USA imperialism has fucked every single country here throught history and even today still does it, because A)Independent economies are actually competitors, as a empire, the less competitors the best don't you agree; B) we are really, really close to USA. This means that if USA can't control south america, how could it control the rest of the world?

So free market makes absolute no sense in a reality where we have a all powerful empire fucking with economies to keep being a empire. How could I ever think that Free Market or Capitalism are good under these conditions, since its exactly the ideology used to rape south america. I posted a video on the Documentary thread, from Mr Chomsky where he talks about USA influence here, see that man you will know what I mean, I could never say it better then that man tbh, he uses things that your own government makes avaliable so no "hue gommunist conspiracy", but actually government, CIA and shit files.

All I ask is that one day you put aside your utopian hopes and actually delve into the current reality of the world (socialism vs capitalism) and see what is the best system to be under when operating within the standards of normal politics, and then try to improve upon those systems instead of just shouting about how your utopian ideal would fix everything (especially when quite a few people, like myself, would literally rather die than participate in it).

Well in this case Mr Lazy, I'm full socialist. You know the most important thing in China, that probably helped A LOT with the whole Hong Kong thingy? The fact that Mao's revolution gave the country economic independece from England and USA. So you might say its a dictatorship and whatever, but it gaves them economic independence, something that no country in Latin America has. Also you gotta be fair with Venezuela tbh, as your coutry actively fucks with their economy, and again CIA has records of attacks there and shit. The main problem in South American as a whole is USA imperialism, so yeah, between staying a capitalist-american-ball-licking-underdeveloped-shithole or a independent socialist dictatorship, I'm 100% with the socialist dictatorshit.

Also USSR, it was not that shitty economicaly speaking you know. Soviet government actually did miracles in the industry, while the capitalists wanted to keep that place as a rural fuckland. Made Russia the super power it is today, so really, whats so shitty about it? Its actually pretty good compared to the free-market liberal cancer here in Latin America that instead of developing their own country, they develop yours!

But you know, I'd still rather communism like Spain tbh..

But what I really don't get Mr Lazy, you advocate for free market and shit, but whats your point about your country's imperialism? Doesn't that fuck big time with free market development?

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  • 7 Jan
 DerFurst

@mrjoe said:
i already watched that retard's culture matters video. yes culture matters but not everyone with the same skin shares the same culture so it's a dumb video.

it's not about skin color

people from countries where a culture is enforced through social indoctrination from birth, and from which minor deviation will lead to major social ostracization and even severe legal punishments are going to have pretty much the same culture, save for a few odd people who are a definite minority

these people aren't coming from liberalized western countries where everyone believes whatever the fuck they want. They come from homogeneous societies with homogeneous cultures, who enforce their dogma from birth to the grave. Get real.

oh but what about the good muslims

If you want good muslims, then close borders and restrictively select those good muslims. The fact of the matter is, the VAST majority of them AREN'T good for Europe.

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@mrjoe said:
i already watched that retard's culture matters video. yes culture matters but not everyone with the same skin shares the same culture so it's a dumb video.

bud you seem to be letting your fanatical individualism get in the way of discussing the issue as a whole tbh

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Right, you can only become "independent" by going full socialist. Copy that vanguard. Whether you stick to socialism or try to go after your utopian communism, enjoy your country collapsing around you. In the meantime i'll continue to push for my own country to mind its own fucking business so you won't have any excuses when your people starve to death around you.

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 vanguard

@ToLazy4Name said:
Right, you can only become "independent" by going full socialist. Copy that vanguard. Whether you stick to socialism or try to go after your utopian communism, enjoy your country collapsing around you. In the meantime i'll continue to push for my own country to mind its own fucking business so you won't have any excuses when your people starve to death around you.

Welp, I would gladly support a right wing government that actually wants a independent latin america economy, but do you even know how is the right wing around here? Do you know who is behind them? Its not like your country give us a choice really tbh. Like, right now we have a right wing government here in Brazil and guess what?

Right wing here is basically the guys who impose in our society the wishes of your rulling class, so what choice do we actually have tell me. Oh and also, people starving to death is already happening in your free-market anti-communist dream here in latin america, so really I don't get it, should we still doing the same shit, supporting the same side and expect things to be different?

I really don't see how a socialist experience could make matters worse. Maybe it would, because your country would declare fucking war probably, but hey, its socialism fault not USA's imperialism right!

Knight 5575 9321

Yes, please equate authoritarian regimes with my ideal system. Ignore the countries that i've held up as the standard such as Hong Kong and Switzerland. A simple right wing government isn't what I had in mind. The right wing in my country is pretty fucking stupid on the whole as well, which is why we currently have Donald Trump as our president-elect.

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 vanguard

Oh no Mr Lazy, I wasn't talking about your ideal system, but what is real remember? What is real is, in "official politics" terms here in latin america: sold out authoritarian right wing, or authoritarian socialism that seeks to bring economic independence and not much else beyond this you see.

I thought trump was right-wing! But as I read your post I was also watching this:

The man says he has no political background and shit, it makes sense man. He is neither left or right on official politics terms tbh. Thats really interesting. I find funny in this interview, seems like the journalist wants at all costs that Mr Noam shittalks trump lmao, but he is wise old man tbh. I like Mr Chomsky

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