Mordhau

This game is extremely, uniquely toxic and I can no longer play it.

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  • 31 May
 DylanS_98

To summarize this thread. Person complains about not having a solution to their bullies in a video game, finds a solution (that works) and calls for more solutions to be found. The majority of us are left dumb founded. It was a good chuckle I'll admit.

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  • 31 May
 Beyorlan

Lol

This is what I live for.

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@smellycathawk said:
I have no idea if it should be considered a "mental disorder", but when kids not paying attention in school can be classified as a "mental disorder"...

Incorrect. Not paying attention in school can be one symptom of a range of classifiable disorders. The DSM 5 is there for you to read -- while it might be in many places something to disagree with, it is surely transparent, and you could at least educate yourself before twisting the truth.

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@ToLazy4Name said:

@smellycathawk said:
I have no idea if it should be considered a "mental disorder"

laughs in 50% suicide rate

I could set up a situation where your family showed a higher average suicide rate. Truman Show setting, lack of ability to leave, the majority treats you and your family as less than human.
To say that the problem there would be in your family would be fallacious. That problem could be created by society.

If you don't believe me, look at what I posted about Australian aborigines in my own thread. Stats show that visibly being a member of a group which is discriminated against has unpleasant outcomes. I am absolutely sure that creating that same situation with your family would harm them in the same way.

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@SandorCleganecf7e9714a51d4526 said:
Hey man sorry to hear you’re not having the best experience, I definitely hear where you’re coming from. We have a good strong community of players on a FB group, Mordhau PC community, if you like the game but can’t find good fun people to play with, come check us out, 600 and growing by about 40-50 a day, from all over the world. I too love this game and we cut BS down instantly on the page.

Thanks for this, it's appreciated.

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@DylanS_98 said:
To summarize this thread. Person complains about not having a solution to their bullies in a video game, finds a solution (that works) and calls for more solutions to be found. The majority of us are left dumb founded. It was a good chuckle I'll admit.

Your summary is potentially uncharitable. You adopt the perspective of "the fix is not hearing those slurs". The perspective of OP might more be "the fix is being in a supportive environment where saying that not being acceptable".

I don't know if you've been in a situation where there's a group of people who are prejudiced against you, but you spend time with them in a place where they can't say that overtly. There are still things that can be done which communicate that dislike, but in a way that is under the radar. Of course, this isn't fully applicable: in this game thinks are more explicit and direct because it's just text chat, teamkilling or other forms of griefing (e.g. blocking spawn exit). However, looking at someone as a person who doesn't just play this game, I can see why a person might feel like they need more protection from slurs than just turning them off. Knowing them being said is unacceptable is far, far more reassuring.

It's not actually about "words bad". It's, very seriously, about "I'm accepted as a valid human being". I invite you to look at conclusions from studies where the effects of not being accepted as a valid human being are looked at. It is no joke.

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I feel sorry for the OP and wish it were not like it is, but this is what happens when you get a gaggle of douchebags and children (who are also mostly douchebags) hiding behind computer screens. They will do and say whatever they can get away with. It will happen in just about every game you play, especially if it isn't moderated. I've met many transgender people, and they have all been extraordinarily friendly and kindhearted, but in a game like this you will not get hugs and cheers and acceptance. If you give people any bait at all, they are going to be pieces of shit because for them it's fun, and the more you react the more they will be pieces of shit.

I think they should recruit moderators for official servers and give them a banhammer for abusive behavior (physical or verbal). To me, THAT would be funny AF. It's like seeing drunk, belligerent morons get thrown out of a bar by bouncers. Good times.

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@Beefenstein said:

@smellycathawk said:
I have no idea if it should be considered a "mental disorder", but when kids not paying attention in school can be classified as a "mental disorder"...

Incorrect. Not paying attention in school can be one symptom of a range of classifiable disorders. The DSM 5 is there for you to read -- while it might be in many places something to disagree with, it is surely transparent, and you could at least educate yourself before twisting the truth.

get a real job

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@smellycathawk said:
get a real job

I said I had a degree in Psychology. You don't know what my job is.

Also, my point still stands as you haven't discussed it. You can make false statements all you want, but if you respond to being called out for your lack of education on points that you can research online through ad hominem, it reflects worse on you overall.

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@Beefenstein said:

@smellycathawk said:
get a real job

I said I had a degree in Psychology. You don't know what my job is.

Also, my point still stands as you haven't discussed it. You can make false statements all you want, but if you respond to being called out for your lack of education on points that you can research online through ad hominem, it reflects worse on you overall.

modern educational institutions only make you morer stupider and morer gayer

  • ADD is seen as a problem. Requiring treatment. A disorder. Even though the most prevalent affect associated with it is just kids not paying attention in school.
  • Contrast the above, seemingly mild "disorder" with the supposed "non-disorder" of Gender dysphoria, where the sufferer experiences extreme discomfort in their own skin and often many other psychological issues, such as narcissism and depression, leading many of them to essentially mutilate themselves beyond repair.

If I am hesitant to call this "normal" it isn't out of hate or "transphobia". It's out of fucking concern. maybe we should keep researching this and looking for better solutions that don't result in half of them killing themselves? But even questioning this shit is blasphemy in the modern political climate.

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@smellycathawk said:
modern educational institutions only make you morer stupider and morer gayer

Hey, dude, you can lie to yourself all you want. "I'm cleverer than so-called educated people", fine. "My opinions are worth more than conclusions from expensive studies with large samples," whatever. You do you. Self-deception is important for human functioning.

But, mate, please. I'm a human being here. I'm on a gaming forum. I don't need you lying to me and involving me in your mental bullshit. Have some respect. Why should you making things up to make yourself feel adequate need to involve me at all?

The person here who is trying to 'make you morer stupider' is you. That's your problem. You deal with it. If you want to ask for help, you're going to likely ask the kind of 'morer' educated and therefore apparently 'morer stupider' people that you slander. That's a situation you put yourself in and I can't fix that. And, hey, I know -- you're doing something that makes you happy, except it doesn't make you happy, and you're confused. I get that. That's what it is to be a living being. But, as I said, I'm one too. Respect please. Your misery that you consciously produce for yourself through lying... that really doesn't have to be my business. Just move on and lick your wounds alone, please, I don't need to see them. You aren't going to let me help you with them, in fact you'd love me to even try so you can say "hey, I'm fine, ha, what's wrong with you, are you gay? Are you fucking gay trying to help me?" So, please, just show that respect so that it doesn't get to that point where you have to debase yourself so publicly. It's humiliating for you and depressing for me to see. Just leave it out.

And, I guess, your possible comeback could be "but you're a hypocrite, you support people who cry about words in chat but you don't support me." Well, the difference is that some people justifiably feel victimised for situations they did not create. A person who feels that they might be transgender didn't first create the social situation where they are discriminated against.
But you ARE creating the situation you suffer from. And then you try to involve me in the problem you wholly created.

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@Beefenstein said:

@smellycathawk said:
modern educational institutions only make you morer stupider and morer gayer

Hey, dude, you can lie to yourself all you want. "I'm cleverer than so-called educated people", fine. "My opinions are worth more than conclusions from expensive studies with large samples," whatever. You do you. Self-deception is important for human functioning.

But, mate, please. I'm a human being here. I'm on a gaming forum. I don't need you lying to me and involving me in your mental bullshit. Have some respect. Why should you making things up to make yourself feel adequate need to involve me at all?

The person here who is trying to 'make you morer stupider' is you. That's your problem. You deal with it. If you want to ask for help, you're going to likely ask the kind of people that you slander. That's a situation you put yourself in and I can't fix that.

You talk a lot and say nothing

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@smellycathawk said:
You talk a lot and say nothing

Yes, I completely appreciate that your very obvious biases will mean you don't listen to other people. The pertinent question for you is whether your biases make you happy. From what I see on here, I don't think they do.

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@Beefenstein said:

@smellycathawk said:
modern educational institutions only make you morer stupider and morer gayer

Hey, dude, you can lie to yourself all you want. "I'm cleverer than so-called educated people", fine. "My opinions are worth more than conclusions from expensive studies with large samples," whatever. You do you. Self-deception is important for human functioning.

But, mate, please. I'm a human being here. I'm on a gaming forum. I don't need you lying to me and involving me in your mental bullshit. Have some respect. Why should you making things up to make yourself feel adequate need to involve me at all?

The person here who is trying to 'make you morer stupider' is you. That's your problem. You deal with it. If you want to ask for help, you're going to likely ask the kind of 'morer' educated and therefore apparently 'morer stupider' people that you slander. That's a situation you put yourself in and I can't fix that. And, hey, I know -- you're doing something that makes you happy, except it doesn't make you happy, and you're confused. I get that. That's what it is to be a living being. But, as I said, I'm one too. Respect please. Your misery that you consciously produce for yourself through lying... that really doesn't have to be my business. Just move on and lick your wounds alone, please, I don't need to see them. You aren't going to let me help you with them, in fact you'd love me to even try so you can say "hey, I'm fine, ha, what's wrong with you, are you gay? Are you fucking gay trying to help me?" So, please, just show that respect so that it doesn't get to that point where you have to debase yourself so publicly. It's humiliating for you and depressing for me to see. Just leave it out.

And, I guess, your possible comeback could be "but you're a hypocrite, you support people who cry about words in chat but you don't support me." Well, the difference is that some people justifiably feel victimised for situations they did not create. A person who feels that they might be transgender didn't first create the social situation where they are discriminated against.
But you ARE creating the situation you suffer from. And then you try to involve me in the problem you wholly created.

A week ago a friend invited a couple of other couples over for dinner. Eventually, the food (but not the wine) was cleared off the table for what turned out to be some fierce Scrabbling. Heeding the strategy of going for the shorter, more valuable word over the longer cheaper word, our final play was “Bon,” which–as luck would have it!–happens to be a Japanese Buddhist festival, and not, as I had originally asserted while laying the tiles on the board, one half of a chocolate-covered cherry treat. Anyway, the strategy worked. My team only lost by 53 points instead of 58.

Just the day before, our host had written of the challenges of writing short. In journalism–my friend’s chosen trade, and mostly my own, too–Mark Twain’s observation undoubtedly applies: “I didn’t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.” The principle holds across genres, in letters, reporting, and other writing. It’s harder to be concise than to blather. (Full disclosure, this blog post will clock in at a blather-esque 803 words.) Good writing is boiled down, not baked full of air like a souffl??. No matter how yummy souffl??s may be. Which they are. Yummy like a Grisham novel.

Lately, I’ve been noticing how my sentences have a tendency to keep going when I write them onscreen. This goes for concentrated writing as well as correspondence. (Twain probably believed that correspondence, in an ideal world, also demands concentration. But he never used email.) Last week I caught myself packing four conjunctions into a three-line sentence in an email. That’s inexcusable. Since then, I have tried to eschew conjunctions whenever possible. Gone are the commas, the and’s, but’s, and so’s; in are staccato declaratives. Better to read like bad Hemingway than bad Faulkner.

Length–as we all know, and for lack of a more original or effective way of saying it–matters. But (ahem), it’s also a matter of how you use it. Style and length are technically two different things.

Try putting some prose onscreen, though, and they mix themselves up pretty quickly. This has much to do with the time constraints we claim to feel in the digital age. We don’t have time to compose letters and post them anymore–much less pay postage, what with all the banks kinda-sorta losing our money these days–so we blast a few emails. We don’t have time to talk, so we text. We don’t have time to text to specific people, so we update our Facebook status. We don’t have time to write essays, so we blog.

I’m less interested by the superficial reduction of words–i.e. the always charming imho or c u l8r–than the genres in which those communications occur: blogs, texts, tweets, emails. All these interstitial communiques, do they really reflect super brevity that would make Twain proud? Or do they just reflect poorly stylized writing that desperately seeks a clearer form?

I rather think the latter. Clive Thompson wrote last month in the NYT Magazine that constant digital updates, after a day, can begin “to feel like a short story; follow it for a month, and it’s a novel.” He was right to see the bits as part of a larger whole. The words now flying through our digital pipes & ether more or less tend to resemble parts of bigger units, perhaps even familiar genres. But stories and novels have definite conclusions; they also have conventional lengths. Quick, how long is the conventional blog, when you add up all of its posts and comments? How long is the longest email thread you send back and forth on a single topic?

Most important: What exactly are we writing when we’re doing all of this writing? I won’t pretend to coin a whole new term here; I still think the best we can muster is a more fitting analogue. And if we must find an analogue in an existing literary unit, I propose the paragraph. Our constant writing has begun to feel like a neverending digital paragraph. Not a tight, stabbing paragraph from The Sun Also Rises or even a graceful, sometimes-slinking, sometimes-soaring paragraph from Absalom! Absalom!, I mean a convoluted, haphazard, meandering paragraph, something like Kerouac’s original draft of On the Road–only taped together by bytes. And 1 percent as interesting.

Paragraphs, particularly those that wrap from one page to the next, inherently possess a necessary suspension that tightens the reader’s focus yet breaks down the narrative into digestable sections. Just like emails or blogs or texts. The mental questions while reading all of these feel the same:

“Is this the last line or is there more?”

“Is the writer really trying to say something here, or just setting up a larger point?”

“Does this part have the information I’m looking for?”

(“Can I skip ahead?”)

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@smellycathawk said:
A week ago a friend invited a couple of other couples over for dinner.

Found it here, mate: https://www.kenyonreview.org/2008/10/a-big-long-paragraph-that-none-of-us-edit/

Tip: if you reply within seconds with such a long paragraph, it's clearly pasted.

What does it feel like to talk a lot and say nothing? I hope it's produced some empathy within you for my own problem of making such empty speeches.

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I think if you will properly read and address all of the words that I posted you will find yourself to be quite in the wrong her sir

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@smellycathawk said:
If I am hesitant to call this "normal" it isn't out of hate or "transphobia". It's out of fucking concern. maybe we should keep researching this and looking for better solutions that don't result in half of them killing themselves? But even questioning this shit is blasphemy in the modern political climate.

Ahaha. "I'm an asshole towards them to help them."
I'm sure you constantly reminding them of suicide will increase their odds of survival. Real concerns you have.

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  • 31 May
 Beefenstein

@smellycathawk said:
I think if you will properly read and address all of the words that I posted you will find yourself to be quite in the wrong her sir

If I'm in the 'wrong her' my wife will kill me.

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  • 31 May
 ToLazy4Name

@Beefenstein said:

@ToLazy4Name said:

@smellycathawk said:
I have no idea if it should be considered a "mental disorder"

laughs in 50% suicide rate

I could set up a situation where your family showed a higher average suicide rate. Truman Show setting, lack of ability to leave, the majority treats you and your family as less than human.
To say that the problem there would be in your family would be fallacious. That problem could be created by society.

If you don't believe me, look at what I posted about Australian aborigines in my own thread. Stats show that visibly being a member of a group which is discriminated against has unpleasant outcomes. I am absolutely sure that creating that same situation with your family would harm them in the same way.

laughs in 50% suicide rate