Mordhau

war axe windup to slow and range to close needs a slight rework.

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@das said:

@alonesilverwolf said:

@SWSeriousMike said:
Multiple times. It's not that hard.

Against newbs who don't know how to deal with a chamber, maybe.

All I'm saying, is I do exponentially better with any other weapon. I can usually manage at least a 2:1 k/d, if not 3:1 in a duel server unless I'm having a bad day. When I use a war axe, I regularly dip negative on my k/d in duels.

That should say something. I'm good enough to go positive with literally any other weapon I have tried, EXCEPT the War Axe. H M M M M.

I can 30 - 0 with 111 War Axe, anecdotes in random skill pub duel servers aren't really a good base to judge weapon balance.

Bur it's hard to do that when the swings are so long someone can lirerally start their swing after you do, and hit BEFORE yours connects! And that is WITH accels! I have seem it time and time again, and it's gotten to the point, I just go Targe and Arming Sword for my viking. There is literally no reason to pick the war axe over any other weapon in the game right now.

The fastest AND cheapest cost of the Plate Torso 2HTK weapons in the game (Eveningstar, Maul, Executioner Sword, Sledgehammer, Mace - Edit: Oh wait Mace is cheaper derp, but it has the same weaknesses of War Axe but even more exacerbated). Has 1HTK on naked torso which the blunt weapons do not have. Has way better handling than Maul and Sledgehammer. Has combos, and very fast ones at that, unlike Executioner Sword. Has an overall superior stab to Executioner Sword. It's cheap, so you CAN run plate with it, but tbh you're better off with 11# as I've mentioned before. You can get insane mileage with perks or secondary items depending on map/pubbing/comp, like Bloodlust + Rush (yes, both at same time), smoke pots, fire pots, a friggin Crossbow + Huntsman if you run 110 (haven't tested this, the slowdown might be too much), Wrecker (REALLY good for "backcapping" those objectives), etc.

And the "swings are so long someone can lirerally start their swing after you do", well this basically applies to any 2her 7 points and beyond vs 1hers lol. If youre opponent is really that much of a gambler, you have to condition them with stabs (NOT stab feints or morphs but like actual stabs). Keep hitting them with those fast annoying 10 damage flinchers. If they start blindly chambering, that's where morphs come in. If they blind chamber -> FTP crutch, you do morph feints. If they parry, you can now start feinting your stabs or morph drag which War Axe is really good at. You outstam almost every weapon and you only need to hit two strikes. Disrespectful enemies who keep gambling and getting hit by your stabs feed you a lot of stamina. And this is just concerning duel scenarios. In teamfights, you're generally trying to weave in and out of hacking distracted enemies. Don't take fair fights, that is your Longsword/Greatsword Knight's job. The shorter range of the axes is overall a weakness, yes, but it actually makes it really easy for you to do some insane manipulations without having to worry about TK teammates and for fighting in enclosed spaces, both of which are genuine worries when you're cleaving around with a giant Zwei or Halberd.

Holy crap, a constructive comment, rather than someone just saying the same thing over and over again! THANK YOU

After reading what you said, you make me want to give the war axe another look. I'll never be great at frontline, I'm a duelist at heart, always have been in games like that. But, I'll practice more with the war axe. I'm still skeptical, because I do so much better with other weapons, but I'll give it a fair shake.

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You didn't come here asking for constructive feedback.

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  • 28 May
 McMercy

@Sorrow said:
either to swing speed or just put the damage all the way up. it lacks in so many ways it kills in the same amount of hits as a great sword or any other sword for that matter . for the swing speed it has that even getting someone to try to parry ur swings are so slow they can block again by the time u even start your swing its pathetic.

Please don't make balancing suggestions. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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  • 28 May
 urm

Waraxe is one of the most popular weapons in scrims/pugs, both in 5v5 skirmish and 6v6 frontline.
It certainly doesn't need a buff.

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  • 29 May
 Sorrow

simple its to slow for its power as slow as it is it should be one hit simple anything less then one hit is fucking stupid for the limits windup speed and the face it get outranged by just about every weapon. and seeing how u say well you should just use the great sword is proof enough the weapons are not balance by any means the fact u have like 5 dif sword with like half to 60 percent of the damage of the war axe but does the same amount of hits renders it being powerful pointless. why is it even a thing when the messer is quicker faster better drags better range same and you see the same people post to belittle or have little to no constructive critism or facts for that matter you just say hypothetic situation that you win lmfao its stupid how 80 percent of the community repost.

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  • 29 May
 Sorrow

@McMercy said:

@Sorrow said:
either to swing speed or just put the damage all the way up. it lacks in so many ways it kills in the same amount of hits as a great sword or any other sword for that matter . for the swing speed it has that even getting someone to try to parry ur swings are so slow they can block again by the time u even start your swing its pathetic.

Please don't make balancing suggestions. You have no idea what you are talking about.

you don't either? you don't even have any suggestion your just an idiot like half these kids trolling on the forums because you don't even know what your talking about. and you not realizing how fucking slow the wind up phase is. is proof enough you have no idea how slow this fucking thing is for duels its worthless you cant get any hits off someone that just stabs or trys to chamber or even if u can fake them out the axe is so slow they can parry twice by the time u can feint and throw an accell swing and to tell me that works means you have not sat their n dueled with it for countless hrs. you cant even stab people outta their swing most the time with the axe it feels even slower then the maul at times.

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  • 29 May
 Sorrow

@alonesilverwolf said:

@das said:

@alonesilverwolf said:

@SWSeriousMike said:
Multiple times. It's not that hard.

Against newbs who don't know how to deal with a chamber, maybe.

All I'm saying, is I do exponentially better with any other weapon. I can usually manage at least a 2:1 k/d, if not 3:1 in a duel server unless I'm having a bad day. When I use a war axe, I regularly dip negative on my k/d in duels.

That should say something. I'm good enough to go positive with literally any other weapon I have tried, EXCEPT the War Axe. H M M M M.

I can 30 - 0 with 111 War Axe, anecdotes in random skill pub duel servers aren't really a good base to judge weapon balance.

Bur it's hard to do that when the swings are so long someone can lirerally start their swing after you do, and hit BEFORE yours connects! And that is WITH accels! I have seem it time and time again, and it's gotten to the point, I just go Targe and Arming Sword for my viking. There is literally no reason to pick the war axe over any other weapon in the game right now.

The fastest AND cheapest cost of the Plate Torso 2HTK weapons in the game (Eveningstar, Maul, Executioner Sword, Sledgehammer, Mace - Edit: Oh wait Mace is cheaper derp, but it has the same weaknesses of War Axe but even more exacerbated). Has 1HTK on naked torso which the blunt weapons do not have. Has way better handling than Maul and Sledgehammer. Has combos, and very fast ones at that, unlike Executioner Sword. Has an overall superior stab to Executioner Sword. It's cheap, so you CAN run plate with it, but tbh you're better off with 11# as I've mentioned before. You can get insane mileage with perks or secondary items depending on map/pubbing/comp, like Bloodlust + Rush (yes, both at same time), smoke pots, fire pots, a friggin Crossbow + Huntsman if you run 110 (haven't tested this, the slowdown might be too much), Wrecker (REALLY good for "backcapping" those objectives), etc.

And the "swings are so long someone can lirerally start their swing after you do", well this basically applies to any 2her 7 points and beyond vs 1hers lol. If youre opponent is really that much of a gambler, you have to condition them with stabs (NOT stab feints or morphs but like actual stabs). Keep hitting them with those fast annoying 10 damage flinchers. If they start blindly chambering, that's where morphs come in. If they blind chamber -> FTP crutch, you do morph feints. If they parry, you can now start feinting your stabs or morph drag which War Axe is really good at. You outstam almost every weapon and you only need to hit two strikes. Disrespectful enemies who keep gambling and getting hit by your stabs feed you a lot of stamina. And this is just concerning duel scenarios. In teamfights, you're generally trying to weave in and out of hacking distracted enemies. Don't take fair fights, that is your Longsword/Greatsword Knight's job. The shorter range of the axes is overall a weakness, yes, but it actually makes it really easy for you to do some insane manipulations without having to worry about TK teammates and for fighting in enclosed spaces, both of which are genuine worries when you're cleaving around with a giant Zwei or Halberd.

Holy crap, a constructive comment, rather than someone just saying the same thing over and over again! THANK YOU

After reading what you said, you make me want to give the war axe another look. I'll never be great at frontline, I'm a duelist at heart, always have been in games like that. But, I'll practice more with the war axe. I'm still skeptical, because I do so much better with other weapons, but I'll give it a fair shake.

Breh half these people don't even have 40hrs and they think they game is PERFECT. HA any game that's been released in the past 5 years have needed like ayear worth of balancing and patchs if not longer.

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  • 29 May
 ToLazy4Name

Lmfao yeah make it a 1 hit, getting 100+ kills wasn't enough for me

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  • 29 May
 Sorrow

@ToLazy4Name said:
Lmfao yeah make it a 1 hit, getting 100+ kills wasn't enough for me

lmao why do you follow me around n post behind anything I say ? are you that bord n lonely where your only accomplishments in your day is trolling on the forums ? I doubt you have over 30hrs of playtime

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  • 29 May
 Sorrow

so basically everyone is defending this not needing a buff because it does fine in frontline lmao sad. ok lets just say it doesn't need a move then the rest the weapon need to be relooked at rapier arming sword messer greatsword longsword bastardsword estoc zwiehander and sit there n blindly say the weapons are fine is straight ignorance.

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  • 29 May
 Deadmode

@Sorrow said:
Breh half these people don't even have 40hrs and they think they game is PERFECT. HA any game that's been released in the past 5 years have needed like ayear worth of balancing and patchs if not longer.

Yeah it's not like this was in alpha and beta being tested to death by skilled players for 2 years before release or anything...'breh'

@Sorrow said:
so basically everyone is defending this not needing a buff because it does fine in frontline lmao sad.

It does fine everywhere else, too. Duels and skrims will see plenty of war axe use, right up to the competitive boys.

Knight 7684 14091
  • 29 May
 ToLazy4Name

@Sorrow said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
Lmfao yeah make it a 1 hit, getting 100+ kills wasn't enough for me

lmao why do you follow me around n post behind anything I say ? are you that bord n lonely where your only accomplishments in your day is trolling on the forums ? I doubt you have over 30hrs of playtime

I'm doing a study on the Dunning-Kruger effect and you're a prime specimen for research

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  • 29 May
 smug

war axe is the one with the retarded feint animations right

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Short sword needs a buff. It just needs more reach. I would even be fine with an increased point-cost for that.

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  • 30 May
 Runagate

Holy shit Sorrow you are stupid

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  • 30 May
 Goatie

No wonder games turn to shit when they listen to public feedback for everything Jesus Christ. War Axe is a beast and a pain to read in duels in the hands of good players, combine that with its insane accelerations and you have a solid weapon. You can beat fast rapier stabs with an accelerated lmb and if that's not fast enough for a fucking axe I don't know what is.

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  • 30 May
 Sorrow

@Runagate said:
Holy shit Sorrow you are.
holy shit your stupid as hell if all this is new to you.

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  • 30 May
 Sorrow

@Goatie said:
No wonder games turn to shit when they listen to public feedback for everything Jesus Christ. War Axe is a beast and a pain to read in duels in the hands of good players, combine that with its insane accelerations and you have a solid weapon. You can beat fast rapier stabs with an accelerated lmb and if that's not fast enough for a fucking axe I don't know what is.
the game was fucked before it even came out this why people need to take years n years to make games , even when they are released they still take about 5 years of patching before they are in a balance stat lmao .

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  • 30 May
 GAYFISH

@Sorrow said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
Lmfao yeah make it a 1 hit, getting 100+ kills wasn't enough for me

lmao why do you follow me around n post behind anything I say ? are you that bord n lonely where your only accomplishments in your day is trolling on the forums ? I doubt you have over 30hrs of playtime

30 hours is nothing, you haven't even the slightest grasp on what is and isn't good for balance in this game.
Lazy, the guy you said probably doesn't even have 30 hours, has somewhere over 500.
Nearly everyone in this thread has well over 10x the amount of playtime than you do.

You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about and it's blatant to everyone but yourself.

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  • 30 May
 Sorrow

@GAYFISH said:

@Sorrow said:

@ToLazy4Name said:
Lmfao yeah make it a 1 hit, getting 100+ kills wasn't enough for me

lmao why do you follow me around n post behind anything I say ? are you that bord n lonely where your only accomplishments in your day is trolling on the forums ? I doubt you have over 30hrs of playtime

30 hours is nothing, you haven't even the slightest grasp on what is and isn't good for balance in this game. and you are not either you are not even qualified to respond to a post.
Lazy, the guy you said probably doesn't even have 30 hours, has somewhere over 500.500 isn't even a lot of playtime and 30 hrs was a joke clearly your to dumb to read.
Nearly everyone in this thread has well over 10x the amount of playtime than you do. yeah I know they don't for a fact so gg with ur make believe fairytale.

You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about and it's blatant to everyone but yourself.no actually it took almost 40 people to respond before one person knew what I was talking about thus you have no idea what your saying.

lmao and your just as ignorant as those people. ya and he still sucks lmao. and your really telling me everyone on here has 2000 hrs hahaha your an idiot. you all are the same type ppl that thought forhonor was fine and p2p were the shit n said it was balanced lmao . agree to disagree.