You could test a 600ms flat attack lockout instead of band-aid 1vX solutions. That "clunky" feeling is just bullshit - no one ever said chivalry felt clunky because of attack lockout, and how would you know anyways since we actually never testing it? The only thing I can foresee bringing Mordhau up to par with competitive chivalry teammodes is mod support atm since the devs won't actually test anything.
Also, I like teamfights at the moment compared to when we had HA. Still wish we got to test AP again though.
We're reintroducing a short period of AP on parries and chambers, but mostly as a consistency thing since it helps blocking that attack that's just about to hit you when you press riposte. Similar to the reason we extend parry into flinch a little bit.
However, I don't think mechanic changes will stop after release. Balancing obviously will continue too. Maybe we can get a opt in test build after release.
We'll be using this to test changes post-release, right now it's just not feasible, because everyone would go onto that branch because it has players, then complain when it's completely broken.
@Shovonem said:
Might be irrelevant for the topic but having some kind of spacial 1 v X mechanic that is based on chamber would be nice. Since chamber is the hardest mechanic to pull off if you think about the basic offensive moves like feinting, morphing. It's not THAT hard but still riposte got buffed with hyper armor and stuff. Riposte is easier pull off. Not to mention chambering can counter missing by X which is quite cheesy. Chamber can lead to more powerful offensive mix up as well. More skill based moves should be more rewarding imo.
I agree. Apparently the fact that you can feint or morph your chamber is enough to make it on par with parrying, at least that's what i've been told by a dev.
I don't understand this logic as a chamber feint or morph in a 1vX puts you at risks of losing stamina and initiative for free (chamber feint) or being flinched by the incoming spam while executing a morph, or losing big stamina by being forced to turn it into a parry. Of course they are scenarios where you actually trick and hit them but a riposte could do the job too with fewer risks and free attack type and angle.
So not convinced that chambering is on par with parrying rn. I'd prefer it to be harder to perform but more rewarding.
But i guess there is a reason why it's like that so if someone enlightened can explain me i'll listen carefully.
The ripost will act like a double parry if I understand correctly.
Which is great, nice buff for the 1vX without being totally broken. I'm looking forward to test it :)
Similar to the reason we extend parry into flinch a little bit.
What does this means? The ammount of time you get "locked" after being parried?
He means that if you're parrying and get flinched, you still parry for a tiny window after being flinched.
E.g. You are the 1 in a 1vX. Player A is behind you. Player B is in front of you. You go to parry player A attack. Your parry is now up. Player B attacks from behind and his strike flinches you before Player A's attack lands. At this point you are flinched. Player A's attack lands like 25ms later on your front and is still parried because the parry is extended into flinch a little bit.
@Lionheart Chevalier said:
^ By far the most frustrating scenario when dealing with 1vX is when your parry/block is flinched.
Glad to hear something will be done about it,
The game already has parry in flinch for at least the last 2 stress tests (I think), it was just 100ms (or maybe 75ms) and now it'll be extended to 150ms
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11 Apr '19
Jax — Community ManagerAdditional shield changes coming next build.
11 Apr '19
BangYou could test a 600ms flat attack lockout instead of band-aid 1vX solutions. That "clunky" feeling is just bullshit - no one ever said chivalry felt clunky because of attack lockout, and how would you know anyways since we actually never testing it? The only thing I can foresee bringing Mordhau up to par with competitive chivalry teammodes is mod support atm since the devs won't actually test anything.
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11 Apr '19
dasbye bye counterchamber
Probably.
11 Apr '19
Humble StaffAnd are patch notes coming along next build too?
11 Apr '19
Lionheart ChevalierCan you go into specifics please lol so I can argue for or against them in advance?
12 Apr '19
Jax — Community Managerhttps://mordhau.com/forum/comment/186742/find/
12 Apr '19
marox — Project LeadWe're reintroducing a short period of AP on parries and chambers, but mostly as a consistency thing since it helps blocking that attack that's just about to hit you when you press riposte. Similar to the reason we extend parry into flinch a little bit.
We'll be using this to test changes post-release, right now it's just not feasible, because everyone would go onto that branch because it has players, then complain when it's completely broken.
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12 Apr '19
2cool2careI agree. Apparently the fact that you can feint or morph your chamber is enough to make it on par with parrying, at least that's what i've been told by a dev.
I don't understand this logic as a chamber feint or morph in a 1vX puts you at risks of losing stamina and initiative for free (chamber feint) or being flinched by the incoming spam while executing a morph, or losing big stamina by being forced to turn it into a parry. Of course they are scenarios where you actually trick and hit them but a riposte could do the job too with fewer risks and free attack type and angle.
So not convinced that chambering is on par with parrying rn. I'd prefer it to be harder to perform but more rewarding.
But i guess there is a reason why it's like that so if someone enlightened can explain me i'll listen carefully.
Edit : nevermind, i just read marox post.
12 Apr '19
男の娘i hope the reintroducing of AP wont block attacks from behind
12 Apr '19
wierHLLogically the AP "zone" should be similar to the parrybox right?
12 Apr '19
marox — Project LeadYes, identical zone.
12 Apr '19
MephWhat does this means? The ammount of time you get "locked" after being parried?
12 Apr '19
ЖIMrPlanetacLeBoeufThe ripost will act like a double parry if I understand correctly.
Which is great, nice buff for the 1vX without being totally broken. I'm looking forward to test it :)
12 Apr '19
serbishwill chamber have more AP than parry or will they be the same
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12 Apr '19
CswicHe means that if you're parrying and get flinched, you still parry for a tiny window after being flinched.
E.g. You are the 1 in a 1vX. Player A is behind you. Player B is in front of you. You go to parry player A attack. Your parry is now up. Player B attacks from behind and his strike flinches you before Player A's attack lands. At this point you are flinched. Player A's attack lands like 25ms later on your front and is still parried because the parry is extended into flinch a little bit.
That is my understanding of it anyway.
12 Apr '19
Lionheart Chevalier^ By far the most frustrating scenario when dealing with 1vX is when your parry/block is flinched.
Glad to hear something will be done about it, just hope the minor AP boost comes out just right.
13 Apr '19
Lincsthe final state of combat is going to be the one where i pee into your butt
13 Apr '19
Humble StaffBut then i intercept your pee stream with mine, shielding Frise's rear from your unholy effluent.
13 Apr '19
Runagatetbh that is just gay
13 Apr '19
marox — Project LeadThe game already has parry in flinch for at least the last 2 stress tests (I think), it was just 100ms (or maybe 75ms) and now it'll be extended to 150ms