Mordhau

Ban Discussion

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  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

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@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

I don't know crush that well. He seems pretty quiet ingame whenever I see him. If he is like that, it explains a lot, like how this forum was a nazi safe space for at least a year before they finally decided to ban people for it.

324 865
  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

I don't know crush that well. He seems pretty quiet ingame whenever I see him. If he is like that, it explains a lot, like how this forum was a nazi safe space for at least a year before they finally decided to ban people for it.

Ah, thank you for that. I now understand that speaking to you is a waste of time.

Mercenary 1263 2303

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

I don't know crush that well. He seems pretty quiet ingame whenever I see him. If he is like that, it explains a lot, like how this forum was a nazi safe space for at least a year before they finally decided to ban people for it.

Ah, thank you for that. I now understand that speaking to you is a waste of time.

You obviously haven't seen the politics thread.

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  • 6 Oct '18
 Rattsknecht

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

I don't know crush that well. He seems pretty quiet ingame whenever I see him. If he is like that, it explains a lot, like how this forum was a nazi safe space for at least a year before they finally decided to ban people for it.

Ah, thank you for that. I now understand that speaking to you is a waste of time.

You obviously haven't seen the politics thread.

Lol his first post was literally getting triggered over not everyone being a libertaritard in the politics thread or some shit

Mercenary 1263 2303

@Rattsknecht said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@Xatrian said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
Let's just allow people to be racist, antisemetic, islamophobic cunts all the time without repercussion. That's what everyone seems to want. Hell, a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters (a planned feature since kickstarter) while we're at it. Let's just call anyone that wants a nice, non-toxic game experience 'SJW' and better yet, permaban them. Because of course, if you're not a racist nazi incel, you have to be an extreme SJW, and we all know those are the real problem here.

Racist? Antisemitic? Islamophobic? Are you trying to describe crush?

I don't know crush that well. He seems pretty quiet ingame whenever I see him. If he is like that, it explains a lot, like how this forum was a nazi safe space for at least a year before they finally decided to ban people for it.

Ah, thank you for that. I now understand that speaking to you is a waste of time.

You obviously haven't seen the politics thread.

Lol his first post was literally getting triggered over not everyone being a libertaritard in the politics thread or some shit

Ah, thanks for that. I now understand that speaking to him is a waste of time.

324 865
  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

If you don't see the communist boogeyman around every corner, then you're a leftist SJW drone. If you don't see the nazi boogeyman around every corner, you're a nazi sympathizing bigot.

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  • 6 Oct '18
 TheDankestMeme

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@TheDankestMeme said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:

@TheDankestMeme said:

@TheKingInTheNorth said:
a topic just got open to add misogyny to the list and ban women characters

history isnt real

First of all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_post-classical_warfare

tldr

Secondly who cares about a fictional war between fictional mercenary companies having women warriors? This isn't based on reality in the first place. But as the link shows, your argument was invalid even before considering this.

not me thats for sure in fact i'm positive about adding female characters, i just wanted to point out that people not wanting them in mordhau =/= misoginy, insulting female players in chat that would be misoginy.

The misogynist comments are happening in the 'Women?' thread itself, I'm not saying that not wanting women is always misogynistic.

understandable

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  • 6 Oct '18
 Monsteri

@Xatrian said:
If you don't see the communist boogeyman around every corner, then you're a leftist SJW drone. If you don't see the nazi boogeyman around every corner, you're a nazi sympathizing bigot.

Keep the discussion away from politics, please.

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  • 6 Oct '18
 EggzOvrEZ

For the love of god, all of you still arguing go back and read my original post I believe on page 6 or 7 of this massive thread.

The 2 arguments I'm still seeing are

  • He did it on a private server and there are no rules in place
    I'm fairly certain if there were any official servers, it would have happened there. But regardless of that, there are literally 2 servers that I ever see populated, one is the chicago server can't remember the name, the other is the NY duels server. This is for NA of course, and then I see 2 servers maybe in EU which is like berzerkers and something else. With the limited population playing the closed alpha, there's no where else to go unless you want to play bots. Who's going to spend all their time playing bots. I said in my original post that I'm sure the devs don't want this limited experience to be an overall negative experience for any newer people that just decide to try out Mordhau. There are already a lot of ex-chivalry players that aren't super excited about Mordhau, I've spoken with a lot of people about it. Giving those people and ones that have zero background in Chivalry or Mordhau a terrible first experience is not ideal in any sense. Hell, I had alpha access for over a year now that it's been available, and I didn't pick it back up until after the latest patch, and Lazy was one of the first things I had to be reminded existed as soon as I came back in and was trying to stream the game for publicity and learn to play.

Furthermore, SINCE the servers I mentioned are all private servers and Lazy isn't banned from them, his Alpha experience isn't being tarnished in the slightest. He can still play with EVERYONE else, because we're not playing on Official servers, nobody is. As far as what happens after alpha, just wait and see because I guarantee these pro-lazy arguments aren't swaying anyone in the slightest.

  • I see another argument that we need to be afraid of how we can get banned with no rules in place, or WORRY about getting banned
    I have never once nor will I ever have any slightest concern in my mind about being banned, do you know why that is? Common fucking sense. I don't use any 3rd party shit to gain advantages and cheat, I really don't use the chat very much and if I did I wouldn't be calling everyone the N word or other weird shit. I also don't go around trying to ruin everyones experience in the game and try and make them have a bad time and constantly instigate and get a rise out of people. I certainly wouldn't go speak to devs in a negative fashion either, but I do support the game and what they're doing so there's that (BIASED I SUPPOSE).

The other point is, this game is ALPHA. Sure, people have their own private servers that they can run, but it's still in alpha and it's the first experience a lot of people are going to have with the game. There's no NDA so people will be making youtube content, streaming, etc. Why add to the possibility of more negative publicity for the game so that people will see that type of shit and get turned off by it? Some people only need the slightest issue with something to sway their opinion one way or other, experiencing it themselves or not.

As for 2lazy, me personally I can kind of deal with his shit. I'm not a delicate flower that when I see racist shit and Political incorrectness whatever you want to call it in 2018, It doesn't affect me really. As many others have said about his behavior, he's like a sad little person with a lot of anger and frustration in him. Probably hasn't felt the touch of a woman for a while, or maybe he's got a lot of pent up aggression that he has to release in his own ways. He likes to get a rise out of people, and when you respond to him, it just feeds him like the troll that he is. Seeing others get upset or seeing that his trolls are succeeding makes him more powerful. I offered to speak with him and give him a personal counseling session to which he refused. This is just the way he likes to have fun, it's more about interacting with others within the game on a personal level rather than any interest in playing the game itself.

This could be a temporary time-out for Lazy until other measures are in place like votekicks, OR it could be that Lazy is actually permanently banned from Official Mordhau servers for good. Either decision would be justified in my opinion. If an appeal process is created as well, then lazy can get on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness and change the way he acts in this game, rather than his supporters speaking on his behalf in the forums. If he's too small to do that, I guess he'll stay banned, good riddance.

324 865
  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

yeah m8 the thing is we all read your post and no one cares and now you've written an entire novel on the subject and no one is going to read it

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  • 6 Oct '18
 EggzOvrEZ

Your intelligence grows the more you speak , let's get real funny now. Your buddy 2lazy banned nothing you can do about it but come here and cry hahahahaha.

Now that is in the true spirit of 2lazy. Let's have a moment of silence for you and your butt buddy lmao. Maybe he's so angry because you aren't giving him what he needs lately because too busy on forums. He asks you please we need time for each other again, just let it go you're not sleeping right, not eating right. Just come to bed with me xatrian. Let's eat beans together

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  • 6 Oct '18
 ÐMontyleGueux

@Monsteri said:

@Xatrian said:
If you don't see the communist boogeyman around every corner, then you're a leftist SJW drone. If you don't see the nazi boogeyman around every corner, you're a nazi sympathizing bigot.

Keep the discussion away from politics, please.

I would lock that thread if I were you, nothing good has came out of it in the last two pages...

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  • 6 Oct '18
 PeachPatrol

@Pred said:
grasping at straws and trying to come up with procedural loopholes in an unfinished closed Alpha because the toxic troll who did everything possible to get banned

Except there was no rule, precedent, or warning that he'd get banned. So no, there was never anything possible to do to get banned.

@Xatrian said:
yeah m8 the thing is we all read your post and no one cares and now you've written an entire novel on the subject and no one is going to read it

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Furthermore, SINCE the servers I mentioned are all private servers and Lazy isn't banned from them, his Alpha experience isn't being tarnished in the slightest.

You seem to misunderstand his ban. He is barred from all VAC enabled servers, official or otherwise. Those private servers want to run VAC. And some of them might want Lazy, too.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I'm fairly certain if there were any official servers, it would have happened there.

Irrelevent. Predicting that he will break the rules is not a cause for ban.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
there's no where else to go unless you want to play bots

Ask the private server owners to ban him; if the community wants him gone so much they'll comply or people will just play on someone else's server who has banned him.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Who's going to spend all their time playing bots.

Lazy is, according to Marox

@EggzOvrEZ said:
the devs don't want this limited experience to be an overall negative experience for any newer people that just decide to try out Mordhau.
@EggzOvrEZ said:
it's still in alpha and it's the first experience a lot of people are going to have with the game.

Crush has already said that the alpha's player base is tiny. There aren't many newcomers at all. Furthermore, you're saying that Triternion should just take command of peoples' servers because nobody wants to play on the shitty official servers? Are you afraid the Mordhau community isn't good enough? Can they at least establish rules that apply to everyone?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
ex-chivalry players

This is business as usual for chiv vets.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Hell, I had alpha access for over a year now that it's been available, and I didn't pick it back up until after the latest patch, and Lazy was one of the first things I had to be reminded existed as soon as I came back in and was trying to stream the game for publicity and learn to play.
@EggzOvrEZ said:
people will be making youtube content, streaming, etc.

Interesting that you included this detail. To be clear, you want a ban list enforced on private servers to improve your stream? Is that what this is really about?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I guarantee these pro-lazy arguments aren't swaying anyone in the slightest.

Won't stop me from trying

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Common fucking sense.

This isn't good enough. It's harder to have faith in common sense than to follow clear guidelines, especially with a precedent of unjustified permanent bans. Besides, is it not common sense that Triternion isn't responsible for what happens on a private server?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I also don't go around trying to ruin everyones experience in the game and try and make them have a bad time and constantly instigate and get a rise out of people.

Uncommon? Unexpected? Permanent ban worthy?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I certainly wouldn't go speak to devs in a negative fashion

You agree this is a bannable offense? To insult devs on a private server?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Why add to the possibility of more negative publicity for the game so that people will see that type of shit and get turned off by it?

Very well put. I'm glad to hear you're going to turn chat off while streaming in private servers. I respect your choice to not show the public what the community is like.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
It doesn't affect me really.

Precisely why he should be able to play in private servers that choose to let him.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
This could be a temporary time-out for Lazy until other measures are in place like votekicks, OR it could be that Lazy is actually permanently banned from Official Mordhau servers for good.

The latter and more if crush has his way with it.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
If an appeal process is created as well,

This forum thread, which Lazy cannot access, is the only appeal process they'll allow. He opened a thread earlier to contest the ban but it was closed without debate. I guess his alt was banned too because he hasn't posted here.

@ÐMontyleGueuxI said:
I would lock that thread if I were you, nothing good has came out of it in the last two pages...

We're not done here. Don't let the thread being derailed stop what we're here to discuss.

324 865
  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Just come to bed with me xatrian. Let's eat beans together

mission accomplished

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  • 6 Oct '18
 EggzOvrEZ

Ok. I don't care to argue anymore, have fun guys this is pointless.

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  • 6 Oct '18
 Havoc

@PeachPatrol said:

@Pred said:
grasping at straws and trying to come up with procedural loopholes in an unfinished closed Alpha because the toxic troll who did everything possible to get banned

Except there was no rule, precedent, or warning that he'd get banned. So no, there was never anything possible to do to get banned.

@Xatrian said:
yeah m8 the thing is we all read your post and no one cares and now you've written an entire novel on the subject and no one is going to read it

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Furthermore, SINCE the servers I mentioned are all private servers and Lazy isn't banned from them, his Alpha experience isn't being tarnished in the slightest.

You seem to misunderstand his ban. He is barred from all VAC enabled servers, official or otherwise. Those private servers want to run VAC. And some of them might want Lazy, too.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I'm fairly certain if there were any official servers, it would have happened there.

Irrelevent. Predicting that he will break the rules is not a cause for ban.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
there's no where else to go unless you want to play bots

Ask the private server owners to ban him; if the community wants him gone so much they'll comply or people will just play on someone else's server who has banned him.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Who's going to spend all their time playing bots.

Lazy is, according to Marox

@EggzOvrEZ said:
the devs don't want this limited experience to be an overall negative experience for any newer people that just decide to try out Mordhau.
@EggzOvrEZ said:
it's still in alpha and it's the first experience a lot of people are going to have with the game.

Crush has already said that the alpha's player base is tiny. There aren't many newcomers at all. Furthermore, you're saying that Triternion should just take command of peoples' servers because nobody wants to play on the shitty official servers? Are you afraid the Mordhau community isn't good enough? Can they at least establish rules that apply to everyone?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
ex-chivalry players

This is business as usual for chiv vets.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Hell, I had alpha access for over a year now that it's been available, and I didn't pick it back up until after the latest patch, and Lazy was one of the first things I had to be reminded existed as soon as I came back in and was trying to stream the game for publicity and learn to play.
@EggzOvrEZ said:
people will be making youtube content, streaming, etc.

Interesting that you included this detail. To be clear, you want a ban list enforced on private servers to improve your stream? Is that what this is really about?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I guarantee these pro-lazy arguments aren't swaying anyone in the slightest.

Won't stop me from trying

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Common fucking sense.

This isn't good enough. It's harder to have faith in common sense than to follow clear guidelines, especially with a precedent of unjustified permanent bans. Besides, is it not common sense that Triternion isn't responsible for what happens on a private server?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I also don't go around trying to ruin everyones experience in the game and try and make them have a bad time and constantly instigate and get a rise out of people.

Uncommon? Unexpected? Permanent ban worthy?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
I certainly wouldn't go speak to devs in a negative fashion

You agree this is a bannable offense? To insult devs on a private server?

@EggzOvrEZ said:
Why add to the possibility of more negative publicity for the game so that people will see that type of shit and get turned off by it?

Very well put. I'm glad to hear you're going to turn chat off while streaming in private servers. I respect your choice to not show the public what the community is like.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
It doesn't affect me really.

Precisely why he should be able to play in private servers that choose to let him.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
This could be a temporary time-out for Lazy until other measures are in place like votekicks, OR it could be that Lazy is actually permanently banned from Official Mordhau servers for good.

The latter and more if crush has his way with it.

@EggzOvrEZ said:
If an appeal process is created as well,

This forum thread, which Lazy cannot access, is the only appeal process they'll allow. He opened a thread earlier to contest the ban but it was closed without debate. I guess his alt was banned too because he hasn't posted here.

@ÐMontyleGueuxI said:
I would lock that thread if I were you, nothing good has came out of it in the last two pages...

We're not done here. Don't let the thread being derailed stop what we're here to discuss.

Remember how no one could actually join the official servers the devs were paying for, for the majority of the time the alpha was out because they didn't bother to updated them?

324 865
  • 6 Oct '18
 Xatrian

@Havoc said:
Remember how no one could actually join the official servers the devs were paying for, for the majority of the time the alpha was out because they didn't bother to updated them?

Is that why I couldn't join officials for a long time? incredible

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  • 6 Oct '18
 Pred

@PeachPatrol said:

@Pred said:
grasping at straws and trying to come up with procedural loopholes in an unfinished closed Alpha because the toxic troll who did everything possible to get banned

Except there was no rule, precedent, or warning that he'd get banned. So no, there was never anything possible to do to get banned.

Thanks for proving my point, lol.

If somebody is unable to recognize what basic norms should be adhered to without having them explicitly written, it is in the best interest of everyone else to exclude this person. Actually, if someone managed to consistently break ALL OF THESE NORMS, it means he definitely was aware of them. The whole "there are no rules written, so you can't be punished for anything" defense is just laughable, fucking DOGS can tell they did something wrong when they chew up your sofa cushions.

I'm pretty sure none of the restaurants in my area explicitly forbid you to scream through a megaphone and piss on other customers. Nobody seems to be doing that though, because they are not retarded.